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Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: PimTac] #5096780
05/05/19 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by AZjeff
But, if anyone thinks vehicles are designed to make anything easy for the DIY guy you might be mistaken.
It depends on the manufacturer and the model. My Mazda has a access panel that reveals the drain plug and filter with no obstructions. I’m surprised when I hear of vehicles where the entire splash shield has to be removed.
My Toyota has an access panel for oil changes, but it originally was hinged and so long that it can not clear the ground to open it unless the car is much higher off the ground than otherwise necessary. That wasn't a DIY-friendly move. Some owners deal with it by removing the entire large splash shield, which involves removing about 13 stubborn plastic push pin fasteners and several bolts.

I modified the access panel to make it easily removable, so it's completely out of the way after removing only 3 push pins and two screws.

I still have to lift the car a little, which is annoying, and wasn't necessary on my earlier cars. At least oil and filter changes are free of messy drooling on other components, as described by others in this thread.


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Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: dwcopple] #5096859
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Bottom line, it's absurd.


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Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: dwcopple] #5096932
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Air filter and wiper blades might be the only replacements during a 2 year/24K lease.


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Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: dwcopple] #5097063
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On a 6.7 Cummins, you have to go through the wheel well. Once you drop the filter, you have to use one hand to balance the filter and plug the hole with a special tool at the same time. As times goes on, I care less and less how much oil I get on me, the truck, the ground, and everywhere else.

Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5097111
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Air filter and wiper blades might be the only replacements during a 2 year/24K lease.

There's no way I'm bothering with an air filter...


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Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: dwcopple] #5097322
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Originally Posted by dwcopple
Quote


The Fumoto valve is a good idea.

It's a 2 year lease. I just might not even bother again until it's time to turn it in.

Not your car! contract says you have to maintain it properly by the book.

Do it. or suffer the slings and arrows of BITOG misfortune.


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Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: dwcopple] #5097374
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Regarding the position of the drain plug, get a Fumoto drain valve and replace the stock plug. You can attach a small hose to the outlet of the valve and run it down to the pan. Or control the flow with the valve so that it doesn't shoot all over like taking out the plug. I have used Fumoto valves since the 1990's. All of my personal and commercial vehicles have Fumoto valves on them, some for the similar situation the OP has. One on my semi truck has almost a million miles of 20,000 mile oil changes. Just as good as the day I bought it and put it on.

The solution for the filter has been addressed.

Last edited by TiredTrucker; 05/06/19 11:41 AM.

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Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: dwcopple] #5097388
05/06/19 11:45 AM
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If it's like my 2016 Ram Hemi, it does make a mess. I just contain it, wipe it and spray brake cleaner and call it done. It's easier to reach from the front to get the filter, BTW.

Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: JLTD] #5097521
05/06/19 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JLTD
I think the problem (where filters and drains plugs are in poor locations) stems from: engine design and where it fits are done by different teams with no communication between. Engines have optimal filter placement and are packaged for builders' convenience...engine builders have to fit into a size but likely aren't told what's just outside those areas.

The same engine is frequently used in different vehicles too. An automaker isn't going to have 2-3 different engine assemblies for different vehicles.

There is communication too. If there wasn't, something like an oil filter could end up in a location that's almost entirely inaccessible (not just "difficult to access"). There's just a limit to the changes that they can make to accommodate all scenarios. They do have to compromise at times....

Last edited by hallstevenson; 05/06/19 01:56 PM.
Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: PimTac] #5097529
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Originally Posted by PimTac
It depends on the manufacturer and the model. My Mazda has a access panel that reveals the drain plug and filter with no obstructions. I’m surprised when I hear of vehicles where the entire splash shield has to be removed.

I've seen some with small access holes but if you start punching holes in these shields, they start losing any value. Many of these shields have a primary function of reducing noise and these holes probably end up creating more noise.

My Infiniti has a "door" but it's not too large. I haven't used it but I'm curious how much oil still hits it when the drain plug is first removed. You know how oil comes out at first, going a fair bit horizontal and slowly changes to draining more vertical ?

Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: GMBoy] #5097533
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The two GM L83’s I own appear thoughtful … the plug and filter are further back past all the under pans/shields.
Everything drains into the drain pan, no collusion or obstruction …
In fact there is a small steel sump attached to the aluminum oil pan so that threads are steel on steel.

Perhaps Clinebarger could advise if removing those have a utilitarian purpose ?

Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: dwcopple] #5097564
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Worst I owned was my 2002 Cavalier. 4-speed automatic pan 'closes off' the bottom, so the filter has to come out through the wheel well, was a heck of a job to get it out.


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Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: dwcopple] #5097715
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Originally Posted by dwcopple
The oil filter is way up there and when removed, oil dumps all over a wiring harness and some steering components making a giant mess. The oil drain plug is right by the front sway bar and oil dumps all over that when draining. Simply unreal. My driveway is a mess now. I won't be doing this again. Ridiculous. Shame on the engineers.


This does sound like quite the treat.
Dumb design for sure.
I've owned many vehicles over the past forty years or so and I've had the good fortune never to have had one that made for really difficult and messy oil changes.


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Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5097776
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
My '07 Silverado 4x4 4.3 MT W/T had similar issues with poor placement of filter. Had to make up a drip tray out of disposable turkey pan. I did appreciate the molded in rubber gasket in the drain plug and cast aluminum oil pan.

My 2011 silverado 4.3 is the same, that one area under the filter is a different color from the oil changes, I figured that out after doing it myself for the first time. Plus the dealer had the drain bolt on ridiculously tight, I literally almost gave up you start to question if your turning the correct way.

Re: 2019 RAM Hemi 4x4 is the dumbest oil change I've encountered [Re: dwcopple] #5098165
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Sounds like a job for Form-a-Funnel?

Sad that maintenance is still the red headed step-child of automotive engineering.


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