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Re: So I finally jumped on the Amsoil wagon... [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #5094205 05/02/19 07:42 PM
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I have also read amsoil recommendations changing first fill at 10k becose of my previous statement.


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Re: So I finally jumped on the Amsoil wagon... [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #5094237 05/02/19 08:07 PM
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Bluesubie, this is an 07 Impreza 2.5i. I've also got an 05 Outback. Other than rear suspension, mechanically they're about as close to identical as two different car models can be.

BigShug, Amsoil doesn't have anything in 20mm thread anymore that can run 25k. They're all the "cheaper" EaK filters that are only rated for 15k; I have no qualms running the FU to 25k if the UOAs show the oil can go that far.

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Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
Bluesubie, this is an 07 Impreza 2.5i. I've also got an 05 Outback. Other than rear suspension, mechanically they're about as close to identical as two different car models can be.

BigShug, Amsoil doesn't have anything in 20mm thread anymore that can run 25k. They're all the "cheaper" EaK filters that are only rated for 15k; I have no qualms running the FU to 25k if the UOAs show the oil can go that far.

That’s correct, my mistake got my numbers mixed up


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Re: So I finally jumped on the Amsoil wagon... [Re: BigShug681] #5095310 05/03/19 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BigShug681

I believe amsoil has a synthetic media filter that can run a full 25k


But even Amsoil SS fine print says to cut the time and miles if meeting anything that qualifies as severe conditions. It is a pretty easy line to cross regarding severe service in just about any owners manual.

Just my leaving the house in any of my vehicles qualifies a severe service by both the OEM of my vehicles and Amsoil's data pages. 2 miles of gravel road to the nearest hard road.

I'll stick with Schaeffer. Good value. Good oils.


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Re: So I finally jumped on the Amsoil wagon... [Re: TiredTrucker] #5095490 05/04/19 07:14 AM
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Re: So I finally jumped on the Amsoil wagon... [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #5096300 05/05/19 07:45 AM
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Seems Amsoil Sulphated Ash in SS series still pose issue on modern DI engine, and I am tired with their marketing that keep promoting different weight oil for different properties.
Their NOACK for 0w20 is not that stellar as well

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And what does that have to do with a port-injected boxer that takes a 30wt oil?

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A whole lotta nothin


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Re: So I finally jumped on the Amsoil wagon... [Re: kr_bitog] #5097193 05/06/19 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by kr_bitog
Seems Amsoil Sulphated Ash in SS series still pose issue on modern DI engine, and I am tired with their marketing that keep promoting different weight oil for different properties.
Their NOACK for 0w20 is not that stellar as well


NOACK for 0-20 is 8.5. If that isnt good enough switch to the 5-20 which is 5.8. That is what I am doing.

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Originally Posted by kr_bitog
Seems Amsoil Sulphated Ash in SS series still pose issue on modern DI engine, and I am tired with their marketing that keep promoting different weight oil for different properties.
Their NOACK for 0w20 is not that stellar as well


NOACK for 0-20 is 8.5. If that isnt good enough switch to the 5-20 which is 5.8. That is what I am doing.

I know 5w20 noack is way better, but not sure the wear and high temperature protection compared with other 20 and 30 weight. In the past i had used ss0w30 and ss0w20, but i drained early due to noticeable change of engine sound after 8k usage. Personally i will rate ss as the same class with m1 ep, even though ep thickens slower and it is cheaper.

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Originally Posted by ridgerunner
Originally Posted by kr_bitog
Seems Amsoil Sulphated Ash in SS series still pose issue on modern DI engine, and I am tired with their marketing that keep promoting different weight oil for different properties.
Their NOACK for 0w20 is not that stellar as well


NOACK for 0-20 is 8.5. If that isnt good enough switch to the 5-20 which is 5.8. That is what I am doing.



My post was about 10w30, which has a NOACK of 4.1. 10W30 will run just fine during summer in anything you're running a 20wt in.

Re: So I finally jumped on the Amsoil wagon... [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #5098323 05/07/19 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by kr_bitog
Seems Amsoil Sulphated Ash in SS series still pose issue on modern DI engine, and I am tired with their marketing that keep promoting different weight oil for different properties.
Their NOACK for 0w20 is not that stellar as well


If SA was a problem they would have lowered it when they changed the formulation for LSPI. SA is only a problem in GM engines because of their choice of inferior quality chains which lead to them inventing a new oil spec to correct instead of fixing the root of the problem. The reason other oil blenders/manufacturers lowered their SA content was for Dexos certification and they aren't going to have a separate oil just for GM. wink

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That's hard to say, Stevie. I think they're might be a little more to it than that, on both sides of the SA level issue - the oil companies and the OEMs. Some of the synthetics we already saw didn't have excessive SA numbers in the first place. That would be those already with a magnesium additive package and other products that weren't aspiring to A5/B5 or long drains. I'll have to look through my old sheets, if I still have them, but I'm pretty sure, for instance, that Petro-Canada's pre-dexos1 gen. 2 oils in SM and SN didn't go insane on SA. On the other side of the issue, when it comes to manufacturers, at least some European manufacturers have expressed a preference by way of specification for lower SA lubes in their GDI engines, where possible, let alone TGDI.

Obviously, this is quite likely platform specific, not to mention driving style specific, and tune specific. Additionally, this is only one aspect of a specification, and Signature Series very well may have other mitigating benefits.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: So I finally jumped on the Amsoil wagon... [Re: Garak] #5098869 05/07/19 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Garak
That's hard to say, Stevie. I think they're might be a little more to it than that, on both sides of the SA level issue - the oil companies and the OEMs. Some of the synthetics we already saw didn't have excessive SA numbers in the first place. That would be those already with a magnesium additive package and other products that weren't aspiring to A5/B5 or long drains. I'll have to look through my old sheets, if I still have them, but I'm pretty sure, for instance, that Petro-Canada's pre-dexos1 gen. 2 oils in SM and SN didn't go insane on SA. On the other side of the issue, when it comes to manufacturers, at least some European manufacturers have expressed a preference by way of specification for lower SA lubes in their GDI engines, where possible, let alone TGDI.

Obviously, this is quite likely platform specific, not to mention driving style specific, and tune specific. Additionally, this is only one aspect of a specification, and Signature Series very well may have other mitigating benefits.

Ok I'll agree with that. smile


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Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with SS or most SN type oils out there for GDI or TGDI except for certain problematic cases. You've pointed it out yourself here before, an oil specification is a not the proper solution to bad engineering. That's not to say that specs are bad and we should just all run ND 30, but the engines that have been reputed to be pickiest about oil (or other maintenance items) were simply problem children in the first place.


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