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Crash at Moscow Airport. #5096880 05/05/19 08:19 PM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48171392


News is still sketchy. It appears the aircraft made a hard landing which collapsed the main landing gear. A fire broke out after that. Latest reports are that 41 are dead.


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Re: Crash at Moscow Airport. [Re: PimTac] #5096918 05/05/19 08:52 PM
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Man all was quite for a long time, But now its like every month...week?? we're hearing of some bad plane crash

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Re: Crash at Moscow Airport. [Re: PimTac] #5096931 05/05/19 09:05 PM
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We I am not planning on flying for awhile now.If I did I would use a rigger to pack my chute. Think staying home gets better everyday .


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Re: Crash at Moscow Airport. [Re: Marco620] #5096944 05/05/19 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Marco620
We I am not planning on flying for awhile now.If I did I would use a rigger to pack my chute. Think staying home gets better everyday .


Even with the crashes we've had lately, it is it far safer to fly than drive. What concerns me far more are the qualities of young pilots that I've read about. Seems they are competent until they get punched in the face so to speak, and then when there is something out of the ordinary, their lack of experience or perhaps airmanship gets everyone in a hot mess...


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Re: Crash at Moscow Airport. [Re: The_Eric] #5096972 05/05/19 09:48 PM
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Until the investigators get in and file their report we won’t kniw exactly what happened. What is known however is that something happened shortly after takeoff and they returned directly back to the airport. What that problem was is the question. Obviously it was very urgent.


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Re: Crash at Moscow Airport. [Re: PimTac] #5096983 05/05/19 10:04 PM
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Whatever happened to the fuel additive that was supposed to eliminate such post crash fires? Too expensive?

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The qualities of young pilots is very much a part of crashes. I’ve been following world champion aerobatics for some time now and I can tell you this - most of the pilots competing have a day job that includes flying too. Airline pilot, military pilot, instructors or just fly outside of the job be it in gliders, single or multi engines, flying is their passion.

The last time there was a crash in Russia Svetlana Kapanina penned an opinion (on her website) concerning the current state of (Russian) airline pilots and it wasn’t good. Her opinion is that all airline pilots should be exposed to hardcore aerobatic training: how to come out of a hopeless spin, mastering common aerobatic maneuvers and general crisis management. With multiple world champion wins under her belt Kapanina knows what she talking about; her day job is pilot instructor 1st class for Sukhoi design bureau.

Chesley B Sullenburger or Sully as he’s known, was a military pilot before his airline career started and he also spent his free time in gliders. All that sure was handy when it was “miracle on the Hudson” time.
Additional examples : Aude Lemordant ( Boeing 777), Castor Fantoba (Boeing 737, 757, 767), both are aerobatic champions as well.

Jumping in an Air France 777 with Aude Lemordant in the front would be a reassuring thing.


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Re: Crash at Moscow Airport. [Re: atikovi] #5096987 05/05/19 10:14 PM
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Whatever happened to the fuel additive that was supposed to eliminate such post crash fires? Too expensive?

I’m not sure what this additive is.


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Aeroflot sadly keeping their top slot for on of worst safety records.

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Re: Crash at Moscow Airport. [Re: PimTac] #5096999 05/05/19 10:20 PM
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I thought a LOT of Aeroflot and other Russian Commercial airline pilots WERE former Russian Air Force Pilots???

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Originally Posted by AC1DD
I thought a LOT of Aeroflot and other Russian Commercial airline pilots WERE former Russian Air Force Pilots???

Yep. Known for taking huge risks, flying drunk, and having low experience/flight time.

We don’t know what happened here, but “former Russian Air Force” would cause me trepidation..


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Originally Posted by The_Eric
Even with the crashes we've had lately, it is it far safer to fly than drive.

If I need to take a trip I can rent a large late model car, get plenty of sleep, practice defensive driving and take things at my leisure to ensure a safe and comfortable trip-for myself and my passengers.

On a plane your putting ALL your safety into the hands of overstressed, underpaid, and exhausted pilots, and mechanics.
Oh and let's not forget the under-maintained equipment which is pushed to it's limits between servicing by the bean counters in the accounting office.

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Originally Posted by Danno

That is a scary video! My God.

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Believe it or not back in 2015 visiting friends in Switzerland, I flew Aeroflot from NY-MOS-Zurich. Flight was around $300-500 cheap than other carriers

It was a 777 only 7 years old, But boy was that plane worn out !!! My video ent screen had no volume and stained dirty.

Wasn't until I got to Switzerland that I was informed that Aeroflot was a low quality dangerous airline

RIP to those who didn't make it

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