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The 5w20 and 5w30 TDS have stated "syn blnd" for some time. This is the first time I've seen it on the product itself.
GTX Ultraclean bottles now state: Syn Blnd; for SUVs, pickup trucks like F-150
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only a little group III is required for synthetic blend or semi-synthetic, so IMO a full synthetic usually all group III is a far better buy + super-tech full synthetic may be priced similarly + a lot better IMO. you pay $$$ for the big name oils + support their "gifts" to racing as well as advertising.
I wonder how much Ford paid for that bit of subliminal advertising?
Originally Posted by benjy
only a little group III is required for synthetic blend or semi-synthetic, so IMO a full synthetic usually all group III is a far better buy + super-tech full synthetic may be priced similarly + a lot better IMO. you pay $$$ for the big name oils + support their "gifts" to racing as well as advertising.
Repetitive hogwash.
Originally Posted by benjy
only a little group III is required for synthetic blend or semi-synthetic, so IMO a full synthetic usually all group III is a far better buy + super-tech full synthetic may be priced similarly + a lot better IMO. you pay $$$ for the big name oils + support their "gifts" to racing as well as advertising.
Repetitive hogwash.
I've wondered if this oil actually cleans better than others or if the "ultraclean" is just marketing mumbo jumbo. (99.99% sure it's the later, but waiting to see proof otherwise)
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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
I've wondered if this oil actually cleans better than others or if the "ultraclean" is just marketing mumbo jumbo. (99.99% sure it's the later, but waiting to see proof otherwise)
I'd wager the reference is pertaining to maintaining cleanliness not creating it, the verbiage on the bottle supports that. This is typically what is claimed.
I've wondered if this oil actually cleans better than others or if the "ultraclean" is just marketing mumbo jumbo. (99.99% sure it's the later, but waiting to see proof otherwise)
I'd wager the reference is pertaining to maintaining cleanliness not creating it, the verbiage on the bottle supports that. This is typically what is claimed.
Originally Posted by benjy
only a little group III is required for synthetic blend or semi-synthetic, so IMO a full synthetic usually all group III is a far better buy + super-tech full synthetic may be priced similarly + a lot better IMO. you pay $$$ for the big name oils + support their "gifts" to racing as well as advertising.
You're about 10-15 years out of date. Most "conventional" oils have been syn-blend since the advent of SN if not longer. The exact definitions are a bit blurred but they're probably well beyond "only a little". Probably at least a third is Group III or GTL. A Pennzoil retiree was stating that the old PYB "conventional" usually was a blend of 30% Group III or more at least a decade ago. If not, it was Group II+ which is pretty close to a "syn" anyways.....
only a little group III is required for synthetic blend or semi-synthetic, so IMO a full synthetic usually all group III is a far better buy + super-tech full synthetic may be priced similarly + a lot better IMO. you pay $$$ for the big name oils + support their "gifts" to racing as well as advertising.
You're about 10-15 years out of date. Most "conventional" oils have been syn-blend since the advent of SN if not longer. The exact definitions are a bit blurred but they're probably well beyond "only a little". Probably at least a third is Group III or GTL. A Pennzoil retiree was stating that the old PYB "conventional" usually was a blend of 30% Group III or more at least a decade ago. If not, it was Group II+ which is pretty close to a "syn" anyways.....
Advertising like that is lame because if you take it literally, they are saying that the more expensive Castrol products keep engines less clean than this oil. If you don't take it literally, it has no true meaning and I believe it really does have no true meaning. It's a psychological ploy.
Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Originally Posted by benjy
only a little group III is required for synthetic blend or semi-synthetic, so IMO a full synthetic usually all group III is a far better buy + super-tech full synthetic may be priced similarly + a lot better IMO. you pay $$$ for the big name oils + support their "gifts" to racing as well as advertising.
You're about 10-15 years out of date. Most "conventional" oils have been syn-blend since the advent of SN if not longer. The exact definitions are a bit blurred but they're probably well beyond "only a little". Probably at least a third is Group III or GTL. A Pennzoil retiree was stating that the old PYB "conventional" usually was a blend of 30% Group III or more at least a decade ago. If not, it was Group II+ which is pretty close to a "syn" anyways.....
Absolutely. Havoline "conventional" 5w-30 (in the smart change 6qt box) is 45% group III.
Originally Posted by benjy
only a little group III is required for synthetic blend or semi-synthetic, so IMO a full synthetic usually all group III is a far better buy + super-tech full synthetic may be priced similarly + a lot better IMO. you pay $$$ for the big name oils + support their "gifts" to racing as well as advertising.
You're about 10-15 years out of date. Most "conventional" oils have been syn-blend since the advent of SN if not longer. The exact definitions are a bit blurred but they're probably well beyond "only a little". Probably at least a third is Group III or GTL. A Pennzoil retiree was stating that the old PYB "conventional" usually was a blend of 30% Group III or more at least a decade ago. If not, it was Group II+ which is pretty close to a "syn" anyways.....
Absolutely. Havoline "conventional" 5w-30 (in the smart change 6qt box) is 45% group III.
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Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Originally Posted by benjy
only a little group III is required for synthetic blend or semi-synthetic, so IMO a full synthetic usually all group III is a far better buy + super-tech full synthetic may be priced similarly + a lot better IMO. you pay $$$ for the big name oils + support their "gifts" to racing as well as advertising.
You're about 10-15 years out of date. Most "conventional" oils have been syn-blend since the advent of SN if not longer. The exact definitions are a bit blurred but they're probably well beyond "only a little". Probably at least a third is Group III or GTL. A Pennzoil retiree was stating that the old PYB "conventional" usually was a blend of 30% Group III or more at least a decade ago. If not, it was Group II+ which is pretty close to a "syn" anyways.....
Not sure it is current, but the latest GTX 5w-20 MSDS shows it to be what appears to be predominantly Group II, FWIW:
![[Linked Image]](https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/usergals/2019/04/full-21028-31921-screen_shot_2019_04_23_at_8.30.46_pm.png "[Linked Image]")
You'll note that the amount of hydrotreated (likely Group II+ or Group III) base is quite low, whilst the "highly refined" portion is the majority.
On the other hand, the 2014 MSDS for the SynBlend GTX 5w-20 shows 45-50% Group III:
![[Linked Image]](https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/usergals/2019/04/full-21028-31922-screen_shot_2019_04_23_at_8.38.22_pm.png "[Linked Image]")
Originally Posted by benjy
only a little group III is required for synthetic blend or semi-synthetic, so IMO a full synthetic usually all group III is a far better buy + super-tech full synthetic may be priced similarly + a lot better IMO. you pay $$$ for the big name oils + support their "gifts" to racing as well as advertising.
You're about 10-15 years out of date. Most "conventional" oils have been syn-blend since the advent of SN if not longer. The exact definitions are a bit blurred but they're probably well beyond "only a little". Probably at least a third is Group III or GTL. A Pennzoil retiree was stating that the old PYB "conventional" usually was a blend of 30% Group III or more at least a decade ago. If not, it was Group II+ which is pretty close to a "syn" anyways.....
Not sure it is current, but the latest GTX 5w-20 MSDS shows it to be what appears to be predominantly Group II, FWIW:
You'll note that the amount of hydrotreated (likely Group II+ or Group III) base is quite low, whilst the "highly refined" portion is the majority.
On the other hand, the 2014 MSDS for the SynBlend GTX 5w-20 shows 45-50% Group III:
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OK, there's an updated UltraClean MSDS for the 5w-30, just not the 5w-20. 5w-30 MSDS:
![[Linked Image]](https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/attachments/usergals/2019/04/full-21028-31923-screen_shot_2019_04_23_at_8.45.51_pm.png "[Linked Image]")
So 25-50% Group II+ or Group III by the looks of things? 50-75% Group II.
So 25-50% Group II+ or Group III by the looks of things? 50-75% Group II.
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Good stuff, OVERKILL, thx.
Castrol must be thinking that marketing to SUV owners will increase sales.
In Australia, they have just released Castrol Magnatec SUV 5W30
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5062672/
In Australia, they have just released Castrol Magnatec SUV 5W30
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5062672/
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Originally Posted by SR5
Castrol must be thinking that marketing to SUV owners will increase sales.
In Australia, they have just released Castrol Magnatec SUV 5W30
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5062672/
Why not, I guess. Everyone's throwing their hat into the ring.
Castrol must be thinking that marketing to SUV owners will increase sales.
In Australia, they have just released Castrol Magnatec SUV 5W30
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5062672/
Why not, I guess. Everyone's throwing their hat into the ring.
Why would I buy GTX Ultra Clean when for a few dollars more I can Magnatec?
Keeps engines cleaner than Castrol's flagship oils?
This is going to be a problem. We have many customers at the parts store that demand "conventional" oil and refuse to purchase synthetic blend or full synthetic oils. I always laugh internally because they don't realize the oil they are buying is a blend anyway but now it'll say it on the bottle.
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In North America
Only the GTX Ultraclean is a blend according to Castrol. The GTX (non-Ultraclean) is still conventional.
GTX Ultraclean comes in 5w20/30
GTX comes in 10w30 and heavier viscosity
Only the GTX Ultraclean is a blend according to Castrol. The GTX (non-Ultraclean) is still conventional.
GTX Ultraclean comes in 5w20/30
GTX comes in 10w30 and heavier viscosity
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Originally Posted by wemay
In North America
Only the GTX Ultraclean is a blend according to Castrol. The GTX (non-Ultraclean) is still conventional.
GTX Ultraclean comes in 5w20/30
GTX comes in 10w30 and heavier viscosity
Just out of interest, in Australia we get
GTX Ultraclean semi-synthetic in 10W30 (SN & GF-5) and 15W40 (SN/CF & A3/B3)
GTX High mileage 15W50 (API SN) mineral
GTX Diesel 15W40 (API CH-4 / SJ) mineral
GTX 20W50 (API SN/CF) mineral
In North America
Only the GTX Ultraclean is a blend according to Castrol. The GTX (non-Ultraclean) is still conventional.
GTX Ultraclean comes in 5w20/30
GTX comes in 10w30 and heavier viscosity
Just out of interest, in Australia we get
GTX Ultraclean semi-synthetic in 10W30 (SN & GF-5) and 15W40 (SN/CF & A3/B3)
GTX High mileage 15W50 (API SN) mineral
GTX Diesel 15W40 (API CH-4 / SJ) mineral
GTX 20W50 (API SN/CF) mineral
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Is GTX Ultraclean what replaced Syntec Blend?
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Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
Is GTX Ultraclean what replaced Syntec Blend?
Synblend (gray bottle) was replaced by GTX Magnatec blend. Then Magnatec went full Synthetic and now GTX Ultraclean is their blend.
Is GTX Ultraclean what replaced Syntec Blend?
Synblend (gray bottle) was replaced by GTX Magnatec blend. Then Magnatec went full Synthetic and now GTX Ultraclean is their blend.
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