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Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes #5078849
04/18/19 01:35 PM
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This seems to be the norm on both my Corolla and my daughter's Cube. It doesn't seem to matter which pads or rotors I use, about once a year (long before either the pads or rotors are worn out) I have to replace them on both vehicles due to the brakes causing the steering wheel to shake. Is it cheap rotor materials, cheap pad materials, or something else? Neither of us brake hard, so I don't think the issue is being caused by aggressive driving styles. And why is it only happening with these two vehicles? This doesn't happen with my wife's Sienna, or my other daughter's Yaris. I don't get it...

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5078867
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Had repeated warped rotors on an old Dodge Colt many years ago. Once it started it continued, but that was more than thirty years ago. Think I eventually got rotors that worked.


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Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5078872
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Hub flange is clean before rotor install? Are you bedding in the brakes before normal use? Wheels are properly torqued?

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5078896
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Worn suspension / bushings / shocks can lead to these kinds of braking problems.


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Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5078915
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Try doing a few very aggressive braking events with the vehicle. But dont come to a complete stop. Then keep rolling and get back up to speed and cool the brakes down. Do this a few times.

What happens is people get brake pad material build up on their rotors. Even if they stop moderately. You come up to a stop sign, with the brakes applied, and stop completely. The pads and rotors are hot and material transfers to the rotor.

Once you stop, slowly roll a little to get your pads to not sit in the same area on the rotors. If they cant sit in the same spot, they cant transfer material to one spot. Less build up in that one spot, less braking vibrations and shaking.

IMO, people change rotors way to much.

If that doesnt help, then Id look elsewhere like suspension.

I used to race cars. I never had any shaking in the brakes, until the rotor actually would crack or break because of the heat. The rotors would glow red during almost every race. Pads would have to be replaced often, but rotors didnt stay in the same spot long enough to build up pad material. And if they did at the end of a race, the build up would be gone at the first application of the brakes during the next race.

The brakes in any vehicle my wife drives always shake. Because she wont slowly rotate the rotors at a stop. I have actually gotten it through her head now, but she doesnt always do it. I got take whatever she's driving and beat the heck outta the brakes for a bit and its all good until she does it again.

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5078919
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I forgot to mention that after installing the new parts, the brakes are smooth as glass...the steering wheel shaking starts coming on slowly over time, so I don't think it's caused by the hub flanges not being clean enough, or the lug nuts not being properly torqued. Seems like these two things would causing shaking right away. Never heard of worn suspension parts causing shaky brakes before...

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Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: Srt20] #5078927
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Originally Posted by Srt20
What happens is people get brake pad material build up on their rotors. Even if they stop moderately. You come up to a stop sign, with the brakes applied, and stop completely. The pads and rotors are hot and material transfers to the rotor.


Not saying that this isn't what's happening, but why does it only occur on the same two vehicles, and not on the other two? We all have pretty much the same driving styles...

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5078945
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As was posted. check rotor to hub flange. You can buy a cheap brush that attaches to your cordless drill to clean.
Check rotor runout.
Look at you pads... I had this problem on a 97 Accord and the warped rotors wore the pads unevenly; slanted when viewed.

Good luck.


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Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5078953
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Another potential is sticking caliper

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: NGRhodes] #5078960
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Originally Posted by NGRhodes
Another potential is sticking caliper

Yep - make sure the slide pins are clean, the little bushing isn't swollen and the pin boots are in good shape. Lube them with silicone grease/Sil-Glyde or Toyota's rubber grease. That Permatex or CRC brake grease will ruin rubber.

What brand of pads and rotors are you using? OEM is best, but there is good aftermarket like Akebono/Centric/Raybestos. I avoid Wagner or parts store pads on Japanese cars.

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5078977
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Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by Srt20
What happens is people get brake pad material build up on their rotors. Even if they stop moderately. You come up to a stop sign, with the brakes applied, and stop completely. The pads and rotors are hot and material transfers to the rotor.


Not saying that this isn't what's happening, but why does it only occur on the same two vehicles, and not on the other two? We all have pretty much the same driving styles...

Could be many reason...
Maybe those vehicles dont have as good of natural cooling to the brakes.
Maybe the brakes are a little undersized for the vehicle.
Maybe the calipers are a little hung up do to rust or corrosion, though if you are having them apart all the timing this may not be the case.

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: JeffKeryk] #5078979
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
As was posted. check rotor to hub flange. You can buy a cheap brush that attaches to your cordless drill to clean.
Check rotor runout.
Look at you pads... I had this problem on a 97 Accord and the warped rotors wore the pads unevenly; slanted when viewed.

Good luck.

This cannot possibly happen. Warped rotors cannot wear pads so they are slanted when viewed.
But one caliper pin hung up can. Or if mulitple piston calipers, one piston not working correctly can as well.

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5079064
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Could be overtorqued wheels. Shops often gun it down with the air gun and use way too much torque, several times what is needed, and it is often uneven as well.

Try taking the wheels off then putting them back on, with the correct torque smile

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5079072
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Who rotates your tires ?

Re: Apply brakes, steering wheel shakes [Re: grampi] #5079076
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Some cars seem to more prone to this than others. My Jeep would, my Dodge Ram 2500 would not.

I think brakes close to being substandard in size are more prone.


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