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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: HTSS_TR] #5076103
04/15/19 07:35 PM
04/15/19 07:35 PM
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People saying to use OEM must not know that Toyota, GM - all car makers don't make their hoses. Most hoses and belts are made for OEMs by Dayco and Bando for example. Therefore, you are paying more for the same hose to line the pockets of the dealer.

With that - any hose that is EPDM will give you long service life just as the originals. I have used Dayco, Contenential and Gates with equal satisfaction.

Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: HTSS_TR] #5076142
04/15/19 08:16 PM
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Hoses come from hose companies, but that doesn't mean an aftermarket hose from the parts store is the same as the OE part. There may be variations in fit, thickness, etc., even if the manufacturer is the same.

By the way, it's not just the dealer's pockets at stake, GM's pockets get lined when dealers sell an OE hose...that's why they demand a certain level of "loyalty" and we aren't allowed to just sell aftermarket instead. And ideally the point of selling something is to line pockets... that's why aftermarket hoses are sold for money too. This ain't UNICEF. wink

I prefer Gates just because they are better at cataloging than Dayco. Dayco had the wrong part listed for years for the upper radiator hose on 02+ 3.0 Rangers, apparently assuming it was the same as prior years (it wasn't).

The material quality is usually fine regardless, it's proper fit and cataloging that's the issue.


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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: HTSS_TR] #5076269
04/15/19 10:45 PM
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Gates is higher quality.


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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: 01rangerxl] #5076340
04/16/19 02:40 AM
04/16/19 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 01rangerxl
Hoses come from hose companies, but that doesn't mean an aftermarket hose from the parts store is the same as the OE part. There may be variations in fit, thickness, etc., even if the manufacturer is the same.

By the way, it's not just the dealer's pockets at stake, GM's pockets get lined when dealers sell an OE hose...that's why they demand a certain level of "loyalty" and we aren't allowed to just sell aftermarket instead. And ideally the point of selling something is to line pockets... that's why aftermarket hoses are sold for money too. This ain't UNICEF. wink

I prefer Gates just because they are better at cataloging than Dayco. Dayco had the wrong part listed for years for the upper radiator hose on 02+ 3.0 Rangers, apparently assuming it was the same as prior years (it wasn't).

The material quality is usually fine regardless, it's proper fit and cataloging that's the issue.

I have also found aftermarket hoses to be a bit thicker and they will often not allow the use of an OE-style spring clamp.


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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: HTSS_TR] #5076342
04/16/19 03:08 AM
04/16/19 03:08 AM
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As Trav mentioned above, the Gates ECR hoses are excellent.


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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: HTSS_TR] #5076357
04/16/19 05:02 AM
04/16/19 05:02 AM
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I have used Dayco and Gates, both are good and I never had a problem with either one. I have noticed the Dayco's are a bit thicker.

Last edited by Lubener; 04/16/19 05:04 AM.

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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: Lubener] #5076379
04/16/19 05:52 AM
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They are all no good if the yahoo at the parts store puts a hole in it too far down to hang it. Real parts stores (few and far between these days) use clips to hang them.


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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: HTSS_TR] #5076390
04/16/19 06:11 AM
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I roll with Gates when I can. Local NAPA up the street stocks Gates.

The Gates top radiator just does not fit perfectly on a 22RE engine. The diameter is just slightly too big which causes a slightly loose fit. On the other hand, I have read posts from other owners of the 22RE engine that the Dayco fits better than Gates. I had cold leak problems with both ends of the Gates hose, but finally got that sorted.


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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: HTSS_TR] #5079779
04/19/19 11:04 AM
04/19/19 11:04 AM
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Looks like I spoke too soon! The Dayco hose is too short. Upon driving the car for a day, it's clear that the hose is being pulled off. Motor mounts are fine.
This hose was fully seated when installed, and look at it after being driven for 25 miles:

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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: HTSS_TR] #5084313
04/24/19 12:07 AM
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Gates is much better.

Last year when I bought a new upper radiator hose for my old 1999 Deville, I first bought a Dayco hose from AAP. However, that hose felt stiff and seemed as if it was sitting for a while. I returned it and bought a Gates hose from Amazon. MUCH better. It was way more pliable and smelled like rubber. I think the Gates was also made recently.

The top is the Dayco hose and the bottom is the Gates hose. Might be hard to see, but the Gates hose is thicker and "fresh"


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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: A_User55555] #5084342
04/24/19 02:39 AM
04/24/19 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by A_User55555
Gates is much better.

Last year when I bought a new upper radiator hose for my old 1999 Deville, I first bought a Dayco hose from AAP. However, that hose felt stiff and seemed as if it was sitting for a while. I returned it and bought a Gates hose from Amazon. MUCH better. It was way more pliable and smelled like rubber. I think the Gates was also made recently.

The top is the Dayco hose and the bottom is the Gates hose. Might be hard to see, but the Gates hose is thicker and "fresh"


I've always liked gates quality much more than the rest. But one thing to remember, Amazon (In my experience) moves a lot of stock! So of course they'd have something that was the most fresh. Most things I get from them are very new. But I still vote for gates.

Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: HTSS_TR] #5100391
05/09/19 09:11 AM
05/09/19 09:11 AM
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I used a Dayco heater hose, and the new hose comes with two holes in it already:
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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: zzyzzx] #5100442
05/09/19 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by zzyzzx
I used a Dayco heater hose, and the new hose comes with two holes in it already:
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wow that's insane! idiots doing that! what's next? Holes in new tires too?! you know because it was more convenient to stock that way..
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Re: Radiator Hose, Dayco vs Gates [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #5100548
05/09/19 12:55 PM
05/09/19 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Yah-Tah-Hey
OEM Toyota.

For a Mercury Tracer?


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