Specifically the nokian z line a/s my dart is due for tires and these were recommended. How are nokian tires in general? I have no experience with them. Also are they owned by another manufacturer or are they there own brand? I have bf Goodrich comps on it now and I'll never own them again . They don't last at all and are hard as all get out. Any info on nokian tires is appreciated.
How good are nokian tires
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I believe that here in the U.S. and around the world, they're known for their winter tires. But, we don't see much of their other line of tires here in the U.S. However, that's not to say their other line of tires don't exist on our shores. Some may call nokian a boutique brand but, I really don't know as anything I have looked up has limited information and why I try to stay with brands/models in high recommendation from major publications and customer reviews for my vehicles, climate, driving style etc.
I'm sure they're fine. The won't last the longest or have the best grip, but they're also not going to be your worst choice.
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
Goodyear USA Tire Plant Codes
M6 - Lawton, Oklahoma.
MB - Akron, Ohio.
MC - Danville, Virginia.
MD - Gadsden, Alabama.
MJ - Topeka, Kansas.
MK - Union City, Tennessee.
MM, PJ - Fayetteville, North Carolina.
MN - Freeport, Illinois.
MP, PL - Tyler, Texas.
Goodyear Subsidiaries
The main sub-brands of the company and their location-oriented specializations are:
The Kelly Springfield Tire Company - tires made in USA.
Dunlop Tyres - tires for North America, Australia, New Zealand, and Europe.
Douglas Tires - tires for Walmart chain stores in USA.
Debica - tires for Poland.
Fulda - tires for Germany.
Sava - tires for Slovenia.
Cooper Tire & Rubber Company
Cooper Tire & Rubber Company logo
Cooper Tire and Rubber Company's started in 1914 in Akron, Ohio. The company merged from M and M Manufacturing Company and The Giant Tire & Rubber Company. Both were purchased by the same people in 1914 and 1915 respectively. The company got its modern name in 1946.
The conglomerate manufactures automobile, light and medium truck, motorcycle, racing, and other types of tires. They have over 60 facilities worldwide, including the subsidiaries. The plants and technical centers of the company are on three continents. The main centers are situated in Findlay (Ohio, for the tires made in USA), Melksham (England), and Kunshan (China).
Cooper is the 5th largest tire company in North America and the 12th in the world. According to the manufacturer's official website, the total revenue is approximately $3 billion (as of 2016).
Cooper and Apollo Types of India
In 2013, Cooper Tire and Rubber Company was planned to become a part of Apollo Tyres of India for $2.5 billion. This means Cooper wouldn't be an all-American tire brand anymore, leaving Goodyear to be the only one.
Circumstances made the companies cancel the deal, keeping Cooper one of the two genuinely American brands that have tires made in USA mostly.
Cooper USA Tire Plant Codes
3D - Albany, Georgia.
U9 - Tupelo, Mississippi.
UP - Findlay, Ohio.
UT - Texarkana, Arkanzas.
Cooper Subsidiaries
The company's sub-brands and their tire type-oriented specializations are:
**** Cepek - off-road tires for trucks, SUVs, 4x4s, etc.
Mastercraft Tires - all types of tires from passenger to light truck.
Mentor Tires - winter, summer, all-season tires for passenger vehicles.
Mickey Thompson - racing and high-performance tires for street/off-road use.
Roadmaster Tires - commercial tires.
Starfire Tires - budget-oriented quality tires.
Avon Tyres - all types of tires (for Europe).
Dean - commercial truck tires (Asia).
Top-5 Foreign Companies Owning Facilities in USA
The largest tire manufacturers offering tires made in USA are:
Michelin
Pirelli
Continental
Bridgestone
Yokohama.
Michelin
Michelin North America logo
Michelin (Michelin North America in USA) is a France-based tire manufacturer that started its USA activity in 1950. They make tires for passenger vehicles, motorcycles, bicycles, heavy-duty trucks, farm equipment, and planes. The company has facilities in the following states:
Alabama
Indiana
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina.
The conglomerate owns 68 plants in 17 countries, including 19 facilities in 16 North American locations.
Michelin also owns the following tire brands:
BFGoodrich
Kleber
Kormoran
Riken
Tigar
Uniroyal.
Michelin USA Plant Codes
To find Michelin tires made in USA, search for these plant codes (without subsidiaries):
4M, M3 - Greenville, South Carolina.
B6 - Spartanburg, South Carolina.
B7 - Dothan, Alabama.
B9 - Lexington, South Carolina.
To find plant codes of the subsidiaries of the company, you can use the this list.
Pirelli
Pirelli logo
Pirelli is an Italy-based tire manufacturer that is a subsidiary of ChemChina - a Chinese enterprise. They manufacture passenger, SUV, light-truck, classic car, prestige car, and racing tires. When the company was self-standing, the New York stock exchange included it in 1929. Thus, Pirelli became the first Italian commercial company to be present in USA. More intense activity in America started when Pirelli bought Armstrong Tire in 1988.
Overall, Pirelli owns 19 plants in 13 countries, and a network of about 10,000 distribution spots in 160 countries.
Pirelli USA Plant Codes
To find tires made in USA by Pirelli and Armstrong Tire Corporation, search for the following plant codes:
CH - Hanford, California.
CK - Madison, Tennessee.
JR - Rome, Georgia.
Continental
Continental logo
Continental AG is a Germany-based tire and auto part manufacturer, making tires for automobiles (passenger, truck, commercial, etc.), motorbikes, and bicycles. The USA business expansion started when Continental bought General Tire and Rubber Company in 1987.
They manufacture tires in the following states:
Georgia
Illinois
Kentucky
Michigan
North Carolina
Ohio
South Carolina
Texas.
Continental USA Plant Codes
To identify tires made in USA by Continental and General Tire, search for these facility codes:
6B, A3 - Vernon, Illinois.
A9 - Bryan, Ohio.
AC - Charlotte, North Carolina.
AD - Mayfield, Kentucky.
VY - South Sumter, South Carolina.
Bridgestone
Bridgestone logo
Bridgestone Corporation is a Japan-based tire manufacturer, the largest in the world (as of 2015-16). The company provides passenger, off-road, commercial, truck, motorbike, bicycle, and other types of tires. Their presence in USA was established in 1967, when the creators founded Bridgestone Tire Company of America. Thus, they could track and improve sales in America.
In early 80s, the corporation purchased the Firestone plant in Tennessee. This was the first one of Bridgestone in North America. Later, in 1988, they bought the whole company, increasing manufacture facilities in USA dramatically.
Bridgestone USA Plant Codes
If you need tires made in USA at Bridgestone and Firestone plants, search for the following codes:
0B, W2, Y2 - Wilson, North Carolina.
1C, HY - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
2C, 4D, 5D - Morrison, Tennessee.
2M, 3M - Bloomington, Illinois.
7X, 8X, 9X - Graniteville, South Carolina.
8B, VE, YE, YU - Des Moines, Iowa.
D2, E3, W1, Y7 - Lavergne, Tennessee.
YD - Decatur, Illinois.
Yokohama
Yokohama logo
Yokohama Rubber Company is a Japan-based tire manufacturer, a joint establishment between BFGoodrich and Yokohama Cable Manufacturing. They produce passenger, light-truck, high-performance, commercial, and off-road tires. The company got its modern name during the USA business expansion in 1969. Yokohama have two plants in America: in Salem, Virginia, and in West Point, Mississippi (truck tire manufacturing).
Yokohama US Plant Codes
When searching for tires made in USA at the Yokohama plant, look for this code:
CC - Salem, Virginia.
NOTE: Some of the aforementioned facilities may have closed. Make sure to check before using the data.
The Difference Between American-Made and Foreign-Made Tires
There is usually no difference if talking about domestic and foreign facilities of one brand. Since tire brands control their production in all countries, the results are the same, according to Modern Tire Dealer. The companies supply their facilities with the materials, manufacturing technology, and equipment equally. Specialists conduct the same tests with the same standards.
However, every company has its own techniques of achieving a certain tire feature. So, if you compare tires made in USA by different manufacturers, you will definitely find differences.
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M6 - Lawton, Oklahoma.
MB - Akron, Ohio.
MC - Danville, Virginia.
MD - Gadsden, Alabama.
MJ - Topeka, Kansas.
MK - Union City, Tennessee.
MM, PJ - Fayetteville, North Carolina.
MN - Freeport, Illinois.
MP, PL - Tyler, Texas.
Goodyear Subsidiaries
The main sub-brands of the company and their location-oriented specializations are:
The Kelly Springfield Tire Company - tires made in USA.
Dunlop Tyres - tires for North America, Australia, New Zealand, and Europe.
Douglas Tires - tires for Walmart chain stores in USA.
Debica - tires for Poland.
Fulda - tires for Germany.
Sava - tires for Slovenia.
Cooper Tire & Rubber Company
Cooper Tire & Rubber Company logo
Cooper Tire and Rubber Company's started in 1914 in Akron, Ohio. The company merged from M and M Manufacturing Company and The Giant Tire & Rubber Company. Both were purchased by the same people in 1914 and 1915 respectively. The company got its modern name in 1946.
The conglomerate manufactures automobile, light and medium truck, motorcycle, racing, and other types of tires. They have over 60 facilities worldwide, including the subsidiaries. The plants and technical centers of the company are on three continents. The main centers are situated in Findlay (Ohio, for the tires made in USA), Melksham (England), and Kunshan (China).
Cooper is the 5th largest tire company in North America and the 12th in the world. According to the manufacturer's official website, the total revenue is approximately $3 billion (as of 2016).
Cooper and Apollo Types of India
In 2013, Cooper Tire and Rubber Company was planned to become a part of Apollo Tyres of India for $2.5 billion. This means Cooper wouldn't be an all-American tire brand anymore, leaving Goodyear to be the only one.
Circumstances made the companies cancel the deal, keeping Cooper one of the two genuinely American brands that have tires made in USA mostly.
Cooper USA Tire Plant Codes
3D - Albany, Georgia.
U9 - Tupelo, Mississippi.
UP - Findlay, Ohio.
UT - Texarkana, Arkanzas.
Cooper Subsidiaries
The company's sub-brands and their tire type-oriented specializations are:
**** Cepek - off-road tires for trucks, SUVs, 4x4s, etc.
Mastercraft Tires - all types of tires from passenger to light truck.
Mentor Tires - winter, summer, all-season tires for passenger vehicles.
Mickey Thompson - racing and high-performance tires for street/off-road use.
Roadmaster Tires - commercial tires.
Starfire Tires - budget-oriented quality tires.
Avon Tyres - all types of tires (for Europe).
Dean - commercial truck tires (Asia).
Top-5 Foreign Companies Owning Facilities in USA
The largest tire manufacturers offering tires made in USA are:
Michelin
Pirelli
Continental
Bridgestone
Yokohama.
Michelin
Michelin North America logo
Michelin (Michelin North America in USA) is a France-based tire manufacturer that started its USA activity in 1950. They make tires for passenger vehicles, motorcycles, bicycles, heavy-duty trucks, farm equipment, and planes. The company has facilities in the following states:
Alabama
Indiana
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina.
The conglomerate owns 68 plants in 17 countries, including 19 facilities in 16 North American locations.
Michelin also owns the following tire brands:
BFGoodrich
Kleber
Kormoran
Riken
Tigar
Uniroyal.
Michelin USA Plant Codes
To find Michelin tires made in USA, search for these plant codes (without subsidiaries):
4M, M3 - Greenville, South Carolina.
B6 - Spartanburg, South Carolina.
B7 - Dothan, Alabama.
B9 - Lexington, South Carolina.
To find plant codes of the subsidiaries of the company, you can use the this list.
Pirelli
Pirelli logo
Pirelli is an Italy-based tire manufacturer that is a subsidiary of ChemChina - a Chinese enterprise. They manufacture passenger, SUV, light-truck, classic car, prestige car, and racing tires. When the company was self-standing, the New York stock exchange included it in 1929. Thus, Pirelli became the first Italian commercial company to be present in USA. More intense activity in America started when Pirelli bought Armstrong Tire in 1988.
Overall, Pirelli owns 19 plants in 13 countries, and a network of about 10,000 distribution spots in 160 countries.
Pirelli USA Plant Codes
To find tires made in USA by Pirelli and Armstrong Tire Corporation, search for the following plant codes:
CH - Hanford, California.
CK - Madison, Tennessee.
JR - Rome, Georgia.
Continental
Continental logo
Continental AG is a Germany-based tire and auto part manufacturer, making tires for automobiles (passenger, truck, commercial, etc.), motorbikes, and bicycles. The USA business expansion started when Continental bought General Tire and Rubber Company in 1987.
They manufacture tires in the following states:
Georgia
Illinois
Kentucky
Michigan
North Carolina
Ohio
South Carolina
Texas.
Continental USA Plant Codes
To identify tires made in USA by Continental and General Tire, search for these facility codes:
6B, A3 - Vernon, Illinois.
A9 - Bryan, Ohio.
AC - Charlotte, North Carolina.
AD - Mayfield, Kentucky.
VY - South Sumter, South Carolina.
Bridgestone
Bridgestone logo
Bridgestone Corporation is a Japan-based tire manufacturer, the largest in the world (as of 2015-16). The company provides passenger, off-road, commercial, truck, motorbike, bicycle, and other types of tires. Their presence in USA was established in 1967, when the creators founded Bridgestone Tire Company of America. Thus, they could track and improve sales in America.
In early 80s, the corporation purchased the Firestone plant in Tennessee. This was the first one of Bridgestone in North America. Later, in 1988, they bought the whole company, increasing manufacture facilities in USA dramatically.
Bridgestone USA Plant Codes
If you need tires made in USA at Bridgestone and Firestone plants, search for the following codes:
0B, W2, Y2 - Wilson, North Carolina.
1C, HY - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
2C, 4D, 5D - Morrison, Tennessee.
2M, 3M - Bloomington, Illinois.
7X, 8X, 9X - Graniteville, South Carolina.
8B, VE, YE, YU - Des Moines, Iowa.
D2, E3, W1, Y7 - Lavergne, Tennessee.
YD - Decatur, Illinois.
Yokohama
Yokohama logo
Yokohama Rubber Company is a Japan-based tire manufacturer, a joint establishment between BFGoodrich and Yokohama Cable Manufacturing. They produce passenger, light-truck, high-performance, commercial, and off-road tires. The company got its modern name during the USA business expansion in 1969. Yokohama have two plants in America: in Salem, Virginia, and in West Point, Mississippi (truck tire manufacturing).
Yokohama US Plant Codes
When searching for tires made in USA at the Yokohama plant, look for this code:
CC - Salem, Virginia.
NOTE: Some of the aforementioned facilities may have closed. Make sure to check before using the data.
The Difference Between American-Made and Foreign-Made Tires
There is usually no difference if talking about domestic and foreign facilities of one brand. Since tire brands control their production in all countries, the results are the same, according to Modern Tire Dealer. The companies supply their facilities with the materials, manufacturing technology, and equipment equally. Specialists conduct the same tests with the same standards.
However, every company has its own techniques of achieving a certain tire feature. So, if you compare tires made in USA by different manufacturers, you will definitely find differences.
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Originally Posted by Ws6
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
My experience with same tires(WR G3 SUV) currently on a 2007 Acura MDX with 32k miles. The Made in Russia tires
*balanced perfectly always
*bit elevated noise level vs Michelin and Pirelli's installed before
*predict 40k life dependent when winter falls which is normal across all brands on my vehicle
*I have yet to drive on a better tire in heavy wet snow/slush even pure winter winter tires(Blizzack/Michelin X-ice)
*wonderful in rain
*everyday handling average
*Very capable in winter conditions for all-season, ice was decent but not a winter tire replacement
I owned the regular Nokian all-seasons (cannot recall) on a Civic and they were average tires. Not notably great or bad.
Do you expect to use the zLines in winter weather? They likely not the best tire choice for that as they geared towards summer.
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
My experience with same tires(WR G3 SUV) currently on a 2007 Acura MDX with 32k miles. The Made in Russia tires
*balanced perfectly always
*bit elevated noise level vs Michelin and Pirelli's installed before
*predict 40k life dependent when winter falls which is normal across all brands on my vehicle
*I have yet to drive on a better tire in heavy wet snow/slush even pure winter winter tires(Blizzack/Michelin X-ice)
*wonderful in rain
*everyday handling average
*Very capable in winter conditions for all-season, ice was decent but not a winter tire replacement
I owned the regular Nokian all-seasons (cannot recall) on a Civic and they were average tires. Not notably great or bad.
Do you expect to use the zLines in winter weather? They likely not the best tire choice for that as they geared towards summer.
Originally Posted by madRiver
Originally Posted by Ws6
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
My experience with same tires(WR G3 SUV) currently on a 2007 Acura MDX with 32k miles. The Made in Russia tires
*balanced perfectly always
*bit elevated noise level vs Michelin and Pirelli's installed before
*predict 40k life dependent when winter falls which is normal across all brands on my vehicle
*I have yet to drive on a better tire in heavy wet snow/slush even pure winter winter tires(Blizzack/Michelin X-ice)
*wonderful in rain
*everyday handling average
*Very capable in winter conditions for all-season, ice was decent but not a winter tire replacement
I owned the regular Nokian all-seasons (cannot recall) on a Civic and they were average tires. Not notably great or bad.
Do you expect to use the zLines in winter weather? They likely not the best tire choice for that as they geared towards summer.
Literally 100% opposite of my experience.
I am beginning to think that some sizes just suck with this tire, and some do well.
What is NOT okay with me, is how Nokian whitewashes their reviews. My review, I made sure it contained no profanity, or even abbreviated profanity, and referenced no competitor's products...never posted to their site. Crooked.
Originally Posted by Ws6
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
My experience with same tires(WR G3 SUV) currently on a 2007 Acura MDX with 32k miles. The Made in Russia tires
*balanced perfectly always
*bit elevated noise level vs Michelin and Pirelli's installed before
*predict 40k life dependent when winter falls which is normal across all brands on my vehicle
*I have yet to drive on a better tire in heavy wet snow/slush even pure winter winter tires(Blizzack/Michelin X-ice)
*wonderful in rain
*everyday handling average
*Very capable in winter conditions for all-season, ice was decent but not a winter tire replacement
I owned the regular Nokian all-seasons (cannot recall) on a Civic and they were average tires. Not notably great or bad.
Do you expect to use the zLines in winter weather? They likely not the best tire choice for that as they geared towards summer.
Literally 100% opposite of my experience.
I am beginning to think that some sizes just suck with this tire, and some do well.
What is NOT okay with me, is how Nokian whitewashes their reviews. My review, I made sure it contained no profanity, or even abbreviated profanity, and referenced no competitor's products...never posted to their site. Crooked.
Had a set of first gen WR's and did not like them. Too much of a compromise, wore fast, got loud. Maybe they fixed that in the later versions.
Had some Hakka snow tires. Wonderful snow tires. They did get flat spots when all seasons on the same car didn't, but gobs of winter traction.
Had some entyres and they were a good all season too I thought.
I just don't see the point of high end tires on my beater fleet though, so they get mid range tires now.
Had some Hakka snow tires. Wonderful snow tires. They did get flat spots when all seasons on the same car didn't, but gobs of winter traction.
Had some entyres and they were a good all season too I thought.
I just don't see the point of high end tires on my beater fleet though, so they get mid range tires now.
I've become a big fan of Nokian tires over the years, though I've only used the all weather tires. I've run WR G2 and WR G3 on my Volvo, and Rotiiva A/T on my Sierra. I love them.
I would expect the Z line of tires to wear longer than the all weather tires do.
Nokian is not a subsidiary of any company, but Bridgestone is a minority shareholder.
Good luck with the tire hunt!
I would expect the Z line of tires to wear longer than the all weather tires do.
Nokian is not a subsidiary of any company, but Bridgestone is a minority shareholder.
Good luck with the tire hunt!
Originally Posted by Ws6
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
I had them on a Outback and there were great, infact I wanted tem for my Lexus but couldn't get them in that size. Nokian Is a top tier tire, if you had problem getting them balanced I'd change tire shop. Also you do not understand this type of tire, it's an All Weather and because of that they don't last as long as summer tires.
They certainly are neither cheap nor trash
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
I had them on a Outback and there were great, infact I wanted tem for my Lexus but couldn't get them in that size. Nokian Is a top tier tire, if you had problem getting them balanced I'd change tire shop. Also you do not understand this type of tire, it's an All Weather and because of that they don't last as long as summer tires.
They certainly are neither cheap nor trash
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Originally Posted by madRiver
Ws6 said:
Originally Posted by Pelican
Originally Posted by Ws6
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
I had them on a Outback and there were great, infact I wanted tem for my Lexus but couldn't get them in that size. Nokian Is a top tier tire, if you had problem getting them balanced I'd change tire shop. Also you do not understand this type of tire, it's an All Weather and because of that they don't last as long as summer tires.
They certainly are neither cheap nor trash
Took it to Mazda and Toyota dealer. "meh".
Further, they suck in the rain. They are advertised as lasting like 60K miles. Supposedly year round. Junk.
Originally Posted by Ws6
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
I had them on a Outback and there were great, infact I wanted tem for my Lexus but couldn't get them in that size. Nokian Is a top tier tire, if you had problem getting them balanced I'd change tire shop. Also you do not understand this type of tire, it's an All Weather and because of that they don't last as long as summer tires.
They certainly are neither cheap nor trash
Took it to Mazda and Toyota dealer. "meh".
Further, they suck in the rain. They are advertised as lasting like 60K miles. Supposedly year round. Junk.
If you want tires that last long choose touring tires and not performance tires.
Originally Posted by Pelican
Originally Posted by Ws6
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
I had them on a Outback and there were great, infact I wanted tem for my Lexus but couldn't get them in that size. Nokian Is a top tier tire, if you had problem getting them balanced I'd change tire shop. Also you do not understand this type of tire, it's an All Weather and because of that they don't last as long as summer tires.
They certainly are neither cheap nor trash
The definition of "summer tires" is pretty broad though. I find that as a rule, summer tires tend to be fairly low wear, although quite a few are at 300 to 340 treadwear rating these days. But you can find some that have a 140 treadwear rating. Also - I've taken a look at some of them, and the rubber is really hard at room temps. I think they have to be properly warmed up before they properly grip. And in cold weather they're going to be as a hard as a rock. But somehow that goes against the general thought that harder rubber wears longer.
Something like the Nokian WRG4 has a 500 treadwear rating and a 60k mile limited treadwear warranty. I remember reading about a set of police tests where they were considering one of the Nokian all-weather tires.
Originally Posted by Ws6
My experience is on a 2015 AWD CX5 with the Nokian WRG3 SUV. It did nothing well, was loud AF, impossible to balance, and wore out (32) in 19K miles. Cheap trash.
I had them on a Outback and there were great, infact I wanted tem for my Lexus but couldn't get them in that size. Nokian Is a top tier tire, if you had problem getting them balanced I'd change tire shop. Also you do not understand this type of tire, it's an All Weather and because of that they don't last as long as summer tires.
They certainly are neither cheap nor trash
The definition of "summer tires" is pretty broad though. I find that as a rule, summer tires tend to be fairly low wear, although quite a few are at 300 to 340 treadwear rating these days. But you can find some that have a 140 treadwear rating. Also - I've taken a look at some of them, and the rubber is really hard at room temps. I think they have to be properly warmed up before they properly grip. And in cold weather they're going to be as a hard as a rock. But somehow that goes against the general thought that harder rubber wears longer.
Something like the Nokian WRG4 has a 500 treadwear rating and a 60k mile limited treadwear warranty. I remember reading about a set of police tests where they were considering one of the Nokian all-weather tires.
Originally Posted by ram_man
Specifically the nokian z line a/s my dart is due for tires and these were recommended. How are nokian tires in general? I have no experience with them. Also are they owned by another manufacturer or are they there own brand? I have bf Goodrich comps on it now and I'll never own them again . They don't last at all and are hard as all get out. Any info on nokian tires is appreciated.
They are good, are they in category of Michelin, Continental, Pirelli, Bridgestone and some top end GY, Dunlop? NO!
I think what you have to look is that they will be safe tire, but far from being first tier manufacturer.
Specifically the nokian z line a/s my dart is due for tires and these were recommended. How are nokian tires in general? I have no experience with them. Also are they owned by another manufacturer or are they there own brand? I have bf Goodrich comps on it now and I'll never own them again . They don't last at all and are hard as all get out. Any info on nokian tires is appreciated.
They are good, are they in category of Michelin, Continental, Pirelli, Bridgestone and some top end GY, Dunlop? NO!
I think what you have to look is that they will be safe tire, but far from being first tier manufacturer.
Nokians are my A-team, go-to selection for snow tires. I run unstudded editions of their stud-ready snow tires on three of my four vehicles during the winter, and the fourth vehicle doesn't use a tire size that they produce. Grip like crazy and wear well, too---and they run circles around Hankook I-pike knock-offs.
I have no experience with their all-seasons or summer tires.
I have no experience with their all-seasons or summer tires.
There are better selections for all-season tires, but Nokian are among the best for winter tires. Some very good tires that would fit a Dart: (listed most expensive first - price from TireRack). Nokian tires are mid-pack outside of winter tires, but have premium prices.
Grand Touring All Season:
Michelin CrossClimate+ $179
Continental PureContact LS $129
General Altimax RT43 (V rated) $117
Ultra High Performance All Season
Michelin Pilot Sport AS3+ $159
Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 $148
Pirelli P0 All Season $143
Michelin and Continental run rebates on a regular basis, usually $70-$80 off per set of four, and some retailers have extra savings around holidays.
Grand Touring All Season:
Michelin CrossClimate+ $179
Continental PureContact LS $129
General Altimax RT43 (V rated) $117
Ultra High Performance All Season
Michelin Pilot Sport AS3+ $159
Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 $148
Pirelli P0 All Season $143
Michelin and Continental run rebates on a regular basis, usually $70-$80 off per set of four, and some retailers have extra savings around holidays.
Originally Posted by khittner
Nokians are my A-team, go-to selection for snow tires. I run unstudded editions of their stud-ready snow tires on three of my four vehicles during the winter, and the fourth vehicle doesn't use a tire size that they produce. Grip like crazy and wear well, too---and they run circles around Hankook I-pike knock-offs.
I have no experience with their all-seasons or summer tires.
That is pretty low bar.
Nokian snow tires are excellent in deep snow. But they are lacking serious skill in dry and especially wet. Noise and comfort is also far behind Michelin, Continental, Pirelli or Bridgestone.
Nokians are my A-team, go-to selection for snow tires. I run unstudded editions of their stud-ready snow tires on three of my four vehicles during the winter, and the fourth vehicle doesn't use a tire size that they produce. Grip like crazy and wear well, too---and they run circles around Hankook I-pike knock-offs.
I have no experience with their all-seasons or summer tires.
That is pretty low bar.
Nokian snow tires are excellent in deep snow. But they are lacking serious skill in dry and especially wet. Noise and comfort is also far behind Michelin, Continental, Pirelli or Bridgestone.
Originally Posted by edyvw
Nokian snow tires are excellent in deep snow. But they are lacking serious skill in dry and especially wet. Noise and comfort is also far behind Michelin, Continental, Pirelli or Bridgestone.
Where do you learn this stuff ... ???
Nokian snow tires are excellent in deep snow. But they are lacking serious skill in dry and especially wet. Noise and comfort is also far behind Michelin, Continental, Pirelli or Bridgestone.
Where do you learn this stuff ... ???
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