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Is CR-V AWD really that bad? #5065015 04/05/19 09:35 AM
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As shown in this roller test, flat ground, the CR-Vs AWD is pretty much useless. It requires way too much wheel spin and wheel speed to engage. In real world conditions the best traction available is during the first attempt, before wheels start to spin excessively. Once the wheels spin excessively, they smooth out the surface and kick out pebbles, stones, twigs etc. that aid traction, and it becomes much more difficult to get out of a situation after that happens.
The CX-5 does notably better, but not that great either.



For comparison, here is the Tiguan vs Subaru Forrester. These two handle the situation how it should be handled for the most part.


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: KrisZ] #5065028 04/05/19 09:47 AM
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Yes, it's really that bad.


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: KrisZ] #5065029 04/05/19 09:47 AM
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Let me do that !
Sorry, back on track … That VW looks far better too …

Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: KrisZ] #5065036 04/05/19 09:53 AM
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Not a CRV fan, but does it have a AWD lock switch? The Subaru and the NIssan used to have that. I have an icy hill i have to go up to get to my log cabin, and the Nissan never let me down even not using the awd LOCK. Manytimes i had to disable TC on the subaru o get it to g anywhere - Back when they came with horrid OE tires.

OTW, its to help fuel mileage and promote better tire wear. My Nissan 2.5L ate tires and fuel. 23 MPG ave. Booo.


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: KrisZ] #5065038 04/05/19 09:54 AM
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This isn't sticking up for the CR-V as they're among my least favorite in the category. And there are indeed better AWD systems however, as one reviewer(AoA)mentioned, this only applies if you drive your AWD in a roller factory.

Supposedly, Honda did a software update to the system.
At 6:30 in the video, Alex mentions the issue with the CR-V and the roller test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s-Nn9PbofY

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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: KrisZ] #5065041 04/05/19 10:01 AM
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I guess this is pertinent if you drive on rollers.


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: Char Baby] #5065046 04/05/19 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Char Baby
This isn't sticking up for the CR-V as they're among my least favorite in the category. And there are indeed better AWD systems however, as one reviewer(AoA)mentioned, this only applies if you drive your AWD in a roller factory.

Supposedly, Honda did a software update to the system.
At 6:30 in the video, Alex mentions the issue with the CR-V and the roller test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s-Nn9PbofY


Thanks for the video and I agree about the roller test to a point. The main thing in those tests that struck me is how much wheel spin Honda needs when compared to others. Tiguan and Subaru allow very little wheel spin in comparison, for the system to engage. In real world conditions, from my experience, this extra wheel spin translates to ruining whatever traction you might have had and thus making the job of getting unstuck even more difficult.


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: KrisZ] #5065051 04/05/19 10:07 AM
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I wonder how bad the older models are. MIL has an '03 that she likes, and plans to replace with a new CRV--and will give us a good deal on it. But I'm wary that it's actually not a very good AWD system. Add in low mpg and low towing and it really does nothing for me.

At least the prior gen RAV4 (current one too?) has a hokie button on the dash to "lock in" the rear axle. It might not have a transfer case but in a sense it locks the center diff--something along those lines. Anyway. I liked the idea of that, and would entertain it, 'cuz once underway a FWD setup just doesn't need RWD--not for sedate driving, anyhow.


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: KrisZ] #5065065 04/05/19 10:18 AM
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Wow. Did they test the RAV4 awd?



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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5065069 04/05/19 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
OTW, its to help fuel mileage and promote better tire wear. My Nissan 2.5L ate tires and fuel. 23 MPG ave. Booo.

Exactly

You can choose between either better AWD capabilities OR fuel economy and tire life, but you cannot have both!
Despite performing worse as a "real AWD", Honda was far more intelligent in designing a vehicle with fuel economy and lower overall maintenance costs.

At the end of the day, that's what matters most to the majority of drivers.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, AWD is just fancy marketing jargon.
90% of drivers only NEED FWD/RWD with a decent set of snow tires.
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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: KrisZ] #5065070 04/05/19 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KrisZ
Originally Posted by Char Baby
This isn't sticking up for the CR-V as they're among my least favorite in the category. And there are indeed better AWD systems however, as one reviewer(AoA)mentioned, this only applies if you drive your AWD in a roller factory.

Supposedly, Honda did a software update to the system.
At 6:30 in the video, Alex mentions the issue with the CR-V and the roller test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s-Nn9PbofY


Thanks for the video and I agree about the roller test to a point. The main thing in those tests that struck me is how much wheel spin Honda needs when compared to others. Tiguan and Subaru allow very little wheel spin in comparison, for the system to engage. In real world conditions, from my experience, this extra wheel spin translates to ruining whatever traction you might have had and thus making the job of getting unstuck even more difficult.


Absolutely, I agree!
TFLcar/ did their own snow traction test between the RAV-old & CR-V-new
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLiTZqcnxc4


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: KrisZ] #5065090 04/05/19 10:43 AM
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Wife and I have a 2008 CR-V and I have always been pretty impressed with how well it goes. I do not use snow tires or winter tires on it either. Granted we do not get very much snow here but we have never had any issues and there are a lot of CR-V's running around here.

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The Honda Real-Time 4WD system works differently. An oil pump engages the clutches in the rear diff if there's a speed difference between the rear wheels and the driveshaft from the PTO. VTM-4 did electronically engage as it saw fit, Honda used to offer it on the Pilot and Ridgeline, now it's an Acura-only system that took the SH-AWD name(and SH-AWD, is VTM-4 with torque vectoring).

Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5065104 04/05/19 10:55 AM
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Understood … many hear AWD and only think snow over roads … but I have enjoyed AWD to cross fast travelled wet intersections with no traffic light, or join fast freeways with short twisting ramps … and yeah, decent on the beach.
However I am drifting my way back to selectable but smart 4WD systems in the transfer case …
good old G80 locker still pushing

With those systems and some ground clearance … can get places trouble free these will not.
I also understand the flip side (don’t flame me over Texas, heading back to Russia again soon) … that the heavy things I own and the big TLC’s we drive overseas can not be driven like edyvw drives in snow/ice …

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I'm pretty happy with my 2005 CR-V's AWD system. I like flogging it in the snow. Not built for rock-climbing for sure........


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