My sister is looking for a track day toy / weekend car

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My sister and I recently snagged an invite to the Porsche Driving Experience where they let you take some of the new 911s and 718s out on the track in a lead-follow config and they had a timed auto-x in the Macan GTS.

I have a lot of track day and racing experience, but this was new for my sister, and she really got into it. Her auto-x time was in the top 30% and she's never done an auto-x before. She loved driving out on the real track and has been asking me what it would take to get a track toy out there.

She was partial to a 'M1 or M3 convertible', until she realized that M cars are way more expensive than she expected, and that while Porsche was fine with convertibles for a relatively low-speed lead follow, buying a convertible as a track toy wasn't the best idea without a permanent roll bar. She also says that she wants an automatic (I know, we're working on that). She is looking for a car that is 75% weekend cruiser, 25% track toy. She has a new truck as a daily driver.

So I started looking at some 135is, and went down the rabbit hole of the maintenance nightmare that the N54 is. That said, you can pick up a 135i for pennies, save some cash for inevitable repairs, and from what I recall when I used to do track days - they were very capable cars on the track. I've owned BMWs (e34, e36, e46) so I'm familiar with the upkeep.

Any better choices? I'm trying to keep it to $5k purchase + $2500 in maintenance/trackprep/tires. All of the typical track day beater toys (E36, Miata, WRX, etc) aren't viable track cars unless they have a manual.
I've offered to let her get some seat time in my 944 Chumpcar, but she's not ready to jump out onto the track in a manual car until she's had some street practice.
 
It's time to lean to drive stick. It should be easier to learn on track than on the street. For $7,500 I'd be after an early Boxster. Add a roll/harness bar, a nice bucket seats, tires, and a deep sump + baffle.

Alternatively:

Miata
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Always
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Answer

If it absolutely MUST be an automatic, I'd look into a MK5 GTI with DSG.
 
Miata is the only $5K answer that even makes sense. Also, she should learn to drive a manual, otherwise this whole thing is ridiculous within her budget constraints.


...wants ///M car...budget of $5K...can't drive a stick...

She is all over the map. This sounds super impulsive vs. an actual passion.
 
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
$5k is REALLY low. I'm not sure it's even doable especially if an automatic is required. What about a used E46 ZHP?

As long as you budget for rear subframe reinforcement/repair you could go this way. The GM automatic will disappoint you on the track though, it takes a lot of the finesse out of the car.
 
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
$5k is REALLY low. I'm not sure it's even doable especially if an automatic is required. What about a used E46 ZHP?


I had an E46 330Ci with a 5 speed I did many track days with. It was definitely a fun car for the track but I just can't see doing it with an automatic of that vintage. I obviously don't have a lot of experience with automatic cars, but some of the more modern ones I've driven shift pretty fast that I thought she might be able to get away with it. I don't know where that line is though.
 
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
It's time to lean to drive stick. It should be easier to learn on track than on the street. For $7,500 I'd be after an early Boxster. Add a roll/harness bar, a nice bucket seats, tires, and a deep sump + baffle.

Alternatively:

Miata
Is
Always
The
Answer

If it absolutely MUST be an automatic, I'd look into a MK5 GTI with DSG.


When my race team in the 944 couldn't make it to a race, I drove for a Miata team (first time I ever drove a miata in my life) and was surprised at how well it did on the track. This is my preferred path I think she should take, I just don't know if I can get her to budge from the automatic. Also, I'm not familiar with hardtop/rollbar options on the miata. Most people I know that have miata track rats have removable hard tops that were exceptionally expensive.
 
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Originally Posted by ddombrowski
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
It's time to lean to drive stick. It should be easier to learn on track than on the street. For $7,500 I'd be after an early Boxster. Add a roll/harness bar, a nice bucket seats, tires, and a deep sump + baffle.

Alternatively:

Miata
Is
Always
The
Answer

If it absolutely MUST be an automatic, I'd look into a MK5 GTI with DSG.

When my race team in the 944 couldn't make it to a race, I drove for a Miata team (first time I ever drove a miata in my life) and was surprised at how well it did on the track. This is my preferred path I think she should take, I just don't know if I can get her to budge from the automatic. Also, I'm not familiar with hardtop/rollbar options on the miata. Most people I know that have miata track rats have removable hard tops that were exceptionally expensive.

Yeah a hardtop for a first gen Miata will run you as much or more than what the car cost you, but all the track days I have been to followed the broomstick rule and would let you race with the top down. A Hard Dog roll bar is ~$500.
 
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
$5k is REALLY low. I'm not sure it's even doable especially if an automatic is required. What about a used E46 ZHP?

As long as you budget for rear subframe reinforcement/repair you could go this way. The GM automatic will disappoint you on the track though, it takes a lot of the finesse out of the car.


Are you 100 percent sure the AT is the GM and not the ZF unit? I remember that the 325 of that vintage were the GM unit but I thought the 328/330's had ZF. I was fortunate to drive the ZHP w/AT at BMW Performance school back in 2005. It was ok for what we were doing with it.
 
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
$5k is REALLY low. I'm not sure it's even doable especially if an automatic is required. What about a used E46 ZHP?

As long as you budget for rear subframe reinforcement/repair you could go this way. The GM automatic will disappoint you on the track though, it takes a lot of the finesse out of the car.

Are you 100 percent sure the AT is the GM and not the ZF unit? I remember that the 325 of that vintage were the GM unit but I thought the 328/330's had ZF. I was fortunate to drive the ZHP w/AT at BMW Performance school back in 2005. It was ok for what we were doing with it.

I think it depends on the year. Either way; the ZF 5HP19 wasn't really anything to write home about either.
 
I'm not sure $5000 will buy an auto trans that is durable enough for track use, not to mention having to be registered for street use (not sure how tough they inspect down there).

Track toy and weekend auto trans convertible cruiser are pretty far apart.

Originally Posted by rooflessVW
If it absolutely MUST be an automatic, I'd look into a MK5 GTI with DSG.
+1 I can't think of any other cheap automatic sporty cars. I'm not sure I would pick a FWD Macpherson strut car as a track toy though.
 
Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
If it absolutely MUST be an automatic, I'd look into a MK5 GTI with DSG.
+1 I can't think of any other cheap automatic sporty cars. I'm not sure I would pick a FWD Macpherson strut car as a track toy though.

Say what you want, but the GTI has ALWAYS been a capable track car.
 
IMHO Miata is the answer. 1999-2000 with a Hard Dog roll bar, Carbotech XP-8 or XP-10 pads, sst brake lines. There are many vendors for all types of parts. Suspension, seats, etc. Find your local spec Miata specialist for an alignment/advice. This is a low budget approach that is great to learn on. You do not need a hardtop for doing HPDE. A good rollbar is a must, some will work with the soft top and glass window.
 
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Auto and under 5 k?
Volvo 240 sedan. You can find some decent upgrades for pretty cheap.
Easy to repair as well.
 
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Say what you want, but the GTI has ALWAYS been a capable track car.
MK5 multi-link rear suspension is a nice upgrade over the live axle MK4.
 
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
How about a Mitsubishi Evo or Nissan 240SX?

Where are you getting an Evo for $5k?

Or a clean 240SX, for that matter.
Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
Auto and under 5 k?
Volvo 240 sedan. You can find some decent upgrades for pretty cheap.
Easy to repair as well.

For a track car? Must be April 1st...
 
Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
Auto and under 5 k?
Volvo 240 sedan. You can find some decent upgrades for pretty cheap.
Easy to repair as well.


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