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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: lawnguy] #5052637 03/24/19 10:21 AM
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No.

Pick a good oil to start with. No need to try to improve what has been researched and tested to meet strict standards. That is folly.


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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: lawnguy] #5052647 03/24/19 10:27 AM
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It's weird stuff.
Why does a racing oil need a TBN of 9.9?
Does it need the sky-high zddp content because it has such high TBN?
Why formulate a racing oil that can meet 0W low temperature specs?
Then how much VII does it have that may make it prone to shearing in continuous high-rpm operation?
There are other Mobil 1 blends that have higher flashpoints, and possibly lower NOACK numbers.
About the only use I see for this oil is to boost Moly and ZDDP in other oils as an additive.


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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: lawnguy] #5052695 03/24/19 11:32 AM
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I wouldn't use it by itself. I especially wouldn't want to blend it due to possible incompatibility issues. As mentioned, the ZDDP level is way to high for street use. At those levels, it's actually corrosive and can cause spalling problems. From what I've gathered, ZDDP should not exceed ~3%(wt, ~1920 ppm zinc) of the total oil composition for a street engine.

I'd run M1 FS 0w-40 long before I'd consider using this oil.


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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: lawnguy] #5052738 03/24/19 12:09 PM
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But what car?


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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: lawnguy] #5052745 03/24/19 12:19 PM
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the word RACING is thrown around a lot incorrectly, that oil like Redlines real RACING oils are just that meant for racing with a lot of protective additives but little for longevity!!

Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: benjy] #5052757 03/24/19 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by benjy
the word RACING is thrown around a lot incorrectly, that oil like Redlines real RACING oils are just that meant for racing with a lot of protective additives but little for longevity!!


Exactly. Driven XP line of oils as well. Total detergent package is less than 500 ppm, over 10% POE content, and entirely short-chained C4 secondary ZDDP with a TBN less than 2. It wouldn't last 500 miles on the street.


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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: lawnguy] #5052872 03/24/19 03:08 PM
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Used to use M1 R 4T when it was "real" synthetic and it was a worth while "oil booster". An SG style real PAO syn.

Who is first with the frankenbrew? Someone with a stressed 5W30 application. My new Jetta is leased I cant even change the oil on it. - even if I wanted to. Plus VW 508

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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: 4WD] #5053866 03/25/19 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 4WD
Too much calcium for my DI engines …


That's way too much calcium for a RACING OIL as well! wink

I wonder WHY they do that, as well as WHY they feel that the old dimer type of moly (obvious from that quantity) is better in a racing scenario than a (much, like ~400-500 ppm) higher than SN/SN+ level of the newer trimer type moly. ???


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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: dailydriver] #5054216 03/25/19 10:45 PM
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Too much calcium for my DI engines …


That's way too much calcium for a RACING OIL as well! wink

I wonder WHY they do that, as well as WHY they feel that the old dimer type of moly (obvious from that quantity) is better in a racing scenario than a (much, like ~400-500 ppm) higher than SN/SN+ level of the newer trimer type moly. ???


Probably so much calcium because they know people are going to dump it into their street car, and they want to CYA. The same reason Valvoline does it with VR1.

Also, that high level of moly doesn't mean it's old MoS2. The Driven XP line of oil I posted about above has similar moly ppm and it's a blend of tri-nuclear and organo-moly.


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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: lawnguy] #5054283 03/26/19 01:42 AM
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In something "old" I might.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: dailydriver] #5054451 03/26/19 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dailydriver


... as well as WHY they feel that the old dimer type of moly (obvious from that quantity) is better in a racing scenario than a (much, like ~400-500 ppm) higher than SN/SN+ level of the newer trimer type moly. ???

Maybe because, Infineum papers aside, the dimer type actually does have better friction modification properties than the trimer type. shrug Old school FTW? grin2


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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: bluesubie] #5054459 03/26/19 07:59 AM
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... as well as WHY they feel that the old dimer type of moly (obvious from that quantity) is better in a racing scenario than a (much, like ~400-500 ppm) higher than SN/SN+ level of the newer trimer type moly. ???

Maybe because, Infineum papers aside, the dimer type actually does have better friction modification properties than the trimer type. shrug Old school FTW? grin2




This would be a good discussion on its own.


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... as well as WHY they feel that the old dimer type of moly (obvious from that quantity) is better in a racing scenario than a (much, like ~400-500 ppm) higher than SN/SN+ level of the newer trimer type moly. ???

Maybe because, Infineum papers aside, the dimer type actually does have better friction modification properties than the trimer type. shrug Old school FTW? grin2


HMMMM, makes me wonder what type Ravenol is using (I'm gonna guess trimer shrug ), and IF the above is correct, it makes me wish that Red Line would come up with a low calcium/high magnesium, but high dimer moly add pack content product, all the more. wink


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Re: "The new" Mobil 1 Racing Oil ? [Re: RDY4WAR] #5054838 03/26/19 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
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Probably so much calcium because they know people are going to dump it into their street car, and they want to CYA. The same reason Valvoline does it with VR1.
. . .

Well, learn something new every day. I never even considered the idea that oil makers would have to "adulterate" their racing oils to protect delusional drivers who have convinced themselves that they somehow "need" racing oil instead of proper street oil. . . Wow. Maybe if I fill my Prius with M1R, I'll be able to beat a Corvette from a stoplight! He'll never see it coming! laugh

Maybe racing oil should be available only with a certified mechanic's prescription! Better still, make a "racing oil prescription" a "double signer" -- first your mechanic signs off, then your psychiatrist has to approve!


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