Should criminals be given a second chance?
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My sister was injured playing basketball in college, got addicted to pain pills as the result, switched to heroin and is now on Suboxone-was on methadone before Suboxone. She was busted with shoplifting and soliciting when on Heroin/Tar/Boy/China/H.
Her record was expunged. But she had a hard time finding any type of job with the shoplifting charge before it was expunged. She's now a barber. So yes, people should be given another chance except for murder and some sexual crimes.
Her record was expunged. But she had a hard time finding any type of job with the shoplifting charge before it was expunged. She's now a barber. So yes, people should be given another chance except for murder and some sexual crimes.
We don't, they do.
There's always bottom rung labour jobs that need filling. Concrete labourers, asbestos abatement, demolition, etc.
Those jobs are grueling and getting back into crime is easy. It's a test to see if they have learned their lesson.
There's always bottom rung labour jobs that need filling. Concrete labourers, asbestos abatement, demolition, etc.
Those jobs are grueling and getting back into crime is easy. It's a test to see if they have learned their lesson.
Where I work they hire felons. 1 of 3 known places in the county. There are some pretty hard core criminals including murderers there. I have found some of them are very thankful for their job as they know no one else will likely hire them. Some of them have ankle bracelets and go back to jail when work is over so very happy to be at work making money instead of sitting in jail. However some of them are also not looking to do anything just do as little as they have too if that sometimes.
I thought Department of HUD already mentioned 2017-2018 that landlords cannot use former convictions as automatic disqualifications and have to go case by case as to when and what happened...
This means they may live closer to places of work.
P.S. I thought the most successful recovery/job placement programs are conducted by former convicts.
This means they may live closer to places of work.
P.S. I thought the most successful recovery/job placement programs are conducted by former convicts.
They paid their debt to society.
I'm split on this issue. I genuinely do believe many of them learned their lessons and will not do it again, and many people with no records are just criminals when the opportunities come. A lot of workplace policy has more to do with liability IF something happens rather than they do not believe in you (i.e. victims will sue both the criminals and the employers failing to screen or background check).
The same can be said about mental health issues (will they cause workplace violence), and people without an education (will they be able to tough it out and learn if they are not willing to tough out school lives). I would give them opportunities if I can risk it, but many times it is hard to justify it (I'm also just doing my job for my employers, so I do have to pick the best candidates for the same level / pay / opening).
To be fair it has to be case by case, a shop lifting charge when he or she was 16 is very different from a serial rapist who got out on a plea bargain.
The same can be said about mental health issues (will they cause workplace violence), and people without an education (will they be able to tough it out and learn if they are not willing to tough out school lives). I would give them opportunities if I can risk it, but many times it is hard to justify it (I'm also just doing my job for my employers, so I do have to pick the best candidates for the same level / pay / opening).
To be fair it has to be case by case, a shop lifting charge when he or she was 16 is very different from a serial rapist who got out on a plea bargain.
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I have worked with several felons that I know of. People should be given a second chance. If not, they have no choice but to break the law again and yes, I have been the victim of a crime (fraud, before anyone asks).
Of course they should..duuuhhh
Consider the alternative. If there are no second chances, what then are your options to reintegrate into society?
I think it should be considered on a case by case basis. Those who have committed heinous crimes shouldn't be brought back into society period. But most everyone else? I'm of the opinion our jail system in the US is horrid.
Jail - a punishment for abusing your freedom, is to remove your freedom. But as it is, in jail, you're effectively forced to learn and integrate into gang life just to stay safe. Once you're out, you're out. There's no job training, no employment opportunities, no means of getting back in with the rest of the world. And that strike you have now makes it many many times more difficult to get even a low paying job. When the rubber hits the road and you need to make ends meet, you'll do so either legally or illegally. For better or for worse, I believe that our current jail system creates customers not solutions.
Not saying I have the solution, but I know our current way of doing things isn't effective.
I think it should be considered on a case by case basis. Those who have committed heinous crimes shouldn't be brought back into society period. But most everyone else? I'm of the opinion our jail system in the US is horrid.
Jail - a punishment for abusing your freedom, is to remove your freedom. But as it is, in jail, you're effectively forced to learn and integrate into gang life just to stay safe. Once you're out, you're out. There's no job training, no employment opportunities, no means of getting back in with the rest of the world. And that strike you have now makes it many many times more difficult to get even a low paying job. When the rubber hits the road and you need to make ends meet, you'll do so either legally or illegally. For better or for worse, I believe that our current jail system creates customers not solutions.
Not saying I have the solution, but I know our current way of doing things isn't effective.
There has to be some limitations. You would have Chester working in a day care center or a hold up man working in security at a local bank or a hop head working in a pharmacy.
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There's no job training, no employment opportunities, no means of getting back in with the rest of the world.
No one wants to spend tax dollars on criminals, that's a quick way to become unpopular with your constituents. Having to pay to house them AND reintegrate into society? For something they did with the possibility of them selling drugs and not paying taxes? C'mon!
If they sold drugs they can use their experience to run a legit business of their own. Work a dead-end job, save up and make it a reality. It doesn't have to be in construction but that's what I would do if I were in that situation. Construction is like the Foreign Legion, baby! The only thing that matters is work ethic and toughness.
My Dad got a DUI before I was born and went to jail for it somehow. I'm pretty sure that's what lead him to start his business renovating houses. If you're too soft to wrench or work a crappy job, but tough enough to survive in jail then IDK what your problem is besides being stupid enough to get caught.
There's no job training, no employment opportunities, no means of getting back in with the rest of the world.
No one wants to spend tax dollars on criminals, that's a quick way to become unpopular with your constituents. Having to pay to house them AND reintegrate into society? For something they did with the possibility of them selling drugs and not paying taxes? C'mon!
If they sold drugs they can use their experience to run a legit business of their own. Work a dead-end job, save up and make it a reality. It doesn't have to be in construction but that's what I would do if I were in that situation. Construction is like the Foreign Legion, baby! The only thing that matters is work ethic and toughness.
My Dad got a DUI before I was born and went to jail for it somehow. I'm pretty sure that's what lead him to start his business renovating houses. If you're too soft to wrench or work a crappy job, but tough enough to survive in jail then IDK what your problem is besides being stupid enough to get caught.
Depends on the crime and the job you're hiring for. In some cases they should be hung after the first crime!
In the aviation world, a felony conviction will prevent a potential employee from qualifying for an airport badge. Furthermore, a badged individual cannot escort an ex felon on to airport grounds.
Yes, brother.
I think criminals deserve another chance. How do we want to re-integrate them in society if we close them all the chances?
Addicts: which in turn I think hospitals should offer programs to help them out and work should be used as therapy and pay.
I think criminals deserve another chance. How do we want to re-integrate them in society if we close them all the chances?
Addicts: which in turn I think hospitals should offer programs to help them out and work should be used as therapy and pay.
The vast majority of those doing state or federal prison time will be joining us on the street at some point.
We do need to reintegrate them into civil society.
The alternative isn't necessarily crime. It can be permanent disability on the taxpayers' dime and this happens more often than you might think.
I've often thought that we should spend some money upon the felons of the future before we end up spending 20K+ a year to imprison them. A majority of those doing state time lack even a high school education and come from an impoverished background with absent or addicted parents who may well be felons themselves.
We have and have had many examples of parents and their offspring in our prisons.
In the current job market, it's not that hard for newly released felons to find a job.
The challenge lies in convincing them that a low wage job is much better than the almost inevitable alternative of future incarceration should they go back to the life they had before.
So, yes, these people should be given a second chance, as much for our benefit as for theirs.
Turning tax consumers into taxpayers should be our goal.
We do need to reintegrate them into civil society.
The alternative isn't necessarily crime. It can be permanent disability on the taxpayers' dime and this happens more often than you might think.
I've often thought that we should spend some money upon the felons of the future before we end up spending 20K+ a year to imprison them. A majority of those doing state time lack even a high school education and come from an impoverished background with absent or addicted parents who may well be felons themselves.
We have and have had many examples of parents and their offspring in our prisons.
In the current job market, it's not that hard for newly released felons to find a job.
The challenge lies in convincing them that a low wage job is much better than the almost inevitable alternative of future incarceration should they go back to the life they had before.
So, yes, these people should be given a second chance, as much for our benefit as for theirs.
Turning tax consumers into taxpayers should be our goal.
Minor non violent crimes: Yes
Violent crimes: No
Violent crimes: No
Yes, the point of sentence is paying the debt then. Setting people up for fail marking them up.
Sexual predators no, they typically don't ever heal.
Sexual predators no, they typically don't ever heal.
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