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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: billt460] #5042264 03/14/19 04:15 AM
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Someone that stupid should not be allowed to own a firearm.


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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: billt460] #5042789 03/14/19 11:45 AM
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Hi-Points have basically always been good and cheap. And ugly with substandard ergonomics.
The company is great at standing behind its products.

The .40 and .45 are like holding a cordless drill.
The 9mm is more normal in size and feel. Just that it looks and feels like a double-stack but it's only single-stack.

I think carbines like the 995 are great for people who aren't comfortable or good with handguns, lack the strength for a bigger and more powerful rifle, don't want a bigger and more powerful rifle, etc.

My main disappointment with Hi-Points is the capacity. That wouldn't matter for people in states with dumb "high-capacity" laws.

Prices have gone up a bit on Hi-Points. Now it's hard to recommend one of the handguns, (or various handguns from various other companies), when someone can just get a Taurus Mil G2 instead at the good prices they've been at.

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Originally Posted by Slick17601
Someone that stupid should not be allowed to own a firearm.

I agree wholeheartedly!


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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: billt460] #5043384 03/14/19 09:37 PM
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My stepson has a 40 Hi-Point and him and my grand son love the thing.


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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: ragtoplvr] #5045286 03/16/19 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ragtoplvr
I sometimes shoot in a range. Yes, I wear gasses and ear protection BUT Imagine if the shooter next to you had a barrel malfunction.

I have a friend that reloads, and he just uses whatever to save money. I do not even know if he has a reloading guide.
I know he has had excess pressure problems as he showed me the “junk” primers he bought that were actually excess pressure, the case was also starting to split where necked down. I explained to him about excess pressure and recommended he toss those cases and get a loading guide.
Saw him later and he told me how stupid I am as those cases shot fine. I no longer go target shoot with him, while I hope not, I fear it is only a matter of time. Guns are wonderfully engineered and pretty idiot resistant. I am not buying any used guns from him either. He burns out a barrel and then sells gun at a gun show.


I've heard a story about Ruger wanting to "prove" the durability of the cap and ball revolver that they made an number of years back.

Under very careful(blast proof) conditions they stuffed as much Bullseye as would fit under a ball, and then attempted to fire it. They had to go out of their way to get it to even light, as percussion caps don't nececessarily cooperate well with smokeless powder, but finally did and the gun held up for 6 rounds. I couldn't believe it, but I guess that's a testament as to how well built the gun is.

I'd be scared to know how much Bullseye would actually fit in a 44 caliber "Army Model" revolver. I've never used Bullseye in 45 Colt(no longer made PB is actually my preferred powder for normal loads, although I've also used Unique, and have even stuffed in 25gr of Win 296 for use strictly in my Blackhawk-that load came from a recent Lyman manual, and I did work up to it), but seem to have a number of around 8gr in my head for 44 special with a 240gr bullet(always verify in a manual, and don't take my word for it-I haven't used that particular powder-cartridge combo in several years). Bullseye is fine and dense enough that I'd imagine a 44 caliber cap and ball would hold well over 20gr, and probably easily peak at over 100,000psi. It's the kind of load that will break most ballistics calculators if you plug it in.

Reloading is a fun and rewarding hobby in and of itself, and it's something I enjoy almost as much as shooting. It should be practiced, though, with a whole lot of diligence and intelligence to exactly what you're doing. I've done my fair share of "to the max" loads, but when I do so I always follow the manuals to the letter and also work up to max loads while watching for signs of things like primer distress. The last I counted, I think I had 5 or 6 loading manuals-I use Lyman the most as a general reference, but have manuals from most of the major bullet makers plus the Lyman cast manual that references specific mold numbers(yes, also cast).


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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: billt460] #5045588 03/17/19 07:34 AM
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a young cousin who works on a farm has one. his cash income is low, but gets a free house, free car and alot of free food. he could afford just one handgun for protection and fun, so decided on a used hipoint 9mm. i’ve shot it, it runs reliably but seems overly clunky to this older guy. it’s on my energetic young cousin’s hip most days and he loves it.


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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: jstert] #5045681 03/17/19 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jstert
a young cousin who works on a farm has one. his cash income is low, but gets a free house, free car and alot of free food. he could afford just one handgun for protection and fun, so decided on a used hipoint 9mm. i’ve shot it, it runs reliably but seems overly clunky to this older guy. it’s on my energetic young cousin’s hip most days and he loves it.

I picked up one in 45acp for $50 from my local range.


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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: billt460] #5047946 03/19/19 12:29 PM
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I always hear people bash Hi Points so to get the real story, I went out and bought some. A .40, a 9mm and two .380s.
I am hear to say they are Good guns. The customer service is so Good. I had the sight screw come loose and lost it on the .380 after several hundred rounds with no malfunctioning.
I called Hi point to get a new screw, they sent me a whole rear sight, plus a upgraded peep sight if I liked it better- free.
I have found the only people that bash Hi point are the people that don't own Hi points. They feel like Hi points are beneath them. I am a guy that owns about every gun, Sig, Smith Wesson, HK, Berretta etc.. I am telling Hi points are a Good gun. Brycos now are junk and Jiminez is a slightly better Bryco clone. There are junk guns out there. Cobra guns are another piece of junk with terrible customer service, cracked the slide on it and they didn't even respond to me with their lifetime warranty. Hi points are good guns and unless you actually own one, you need to keep your opinions to yourself.

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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: billt460] #5048670 03/20/19 07:03 AM
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Wholeheartedly agree Panzerman.

We don't own any Hi Points, but do own several Taurus handguns. I know it's not a popular name in guns for some. Also have several S&W, Ruger and Springfield Armory handguns. Given the need, and assuming my aim was good, I have no doubt that I could take care of any threat to me or my family with any of the Taurus just as well as any of the other brands in my gun safe.


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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: bunnspecial] #5050587 03/22/19 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bunnspecial
I've heard a story about Ruger wanting to "prove" the durability of the cap and ball revolver that they made an number of years back.

Under very careful(blast proof) conditions they stuffed as much Bullseye as would fit under a ball, and then attempted to fire it. They had to go out of their way to get it to even light, as percussion caps don't nececessarily cooperate well with smokeless powder, but finally did and the gun held up for 6 rounds. I couldn't believe it, but I guess that's a testament as to how well built the gun is.

I'd be scared to know how much Bullseye would actually fit in a 44 caliber "Army Model" revolver. I've never used Bullseye in 45 Colt(no longer made PB is actually my preferred powder for normal loads, although I've also used Unique, and have even stuffed in 25gr of Win 296 for use strictly in my Blackhawk-that load came from a recent Lyman manual, and I did work up to it), but seem to have a number of around 8gr in my head for 44 special with a 240gr bullet(always verify in a manual, and don't take my word for it-I haven't used that particular powder-cartridge combo in several years). Bullseye is fine and dense enough that I'd imagine a 44 caliber cap and ball would hold well over 20gr, and probably easily peak at over 100,000psi. It's the kind of load that will break most ballistics calculators if you plug it in.

Reloading is a fun and rewarding hobby in and of itself, and it's something I enjoy almost as much as shooting. It should be practiced, though, with a whole lot of diligence and intelligence to exactly what you're doing. I've done my fair share of "to the max" loads, but when I do so I always follow the manuals to the letter and also work up to max loads while watching for signs of things like primer distress. The last I counted, I think I had 5 or 6 loading manuals-I use Lyman the most as a general reference, but have manuals from most of the major bullet makers plus the Lyman cast manual that references specific mold numbers(yes, also cast).

Bill Ruger did much the same back in 1967 when he brought out his #1 Single Shot rifle. Many gun writers at the time were criticizing the investment cast action as "weak". He took a .458 Win. Mag. case, and filled it with Bullseye powder. He then pounded in a Hornady 500 Gr. Soft Point bullet into the lands, and placed the Bullseye charged case behind it. From a distance they remotely fired the rifle. The only damage was the butt stock split at the tang. The action had to be pounded open. But the weapon did not blow up.

Bill Ruger was famous for testing many of his guns like this over the years. Because he was tired of constantly hearing how inherently weak investment cast parts were. So he jumped at the chance to prove them wrong.

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Originally Posted by billt460

Bill Ruger did much the same back in 1967 when he brought out his #1 Single Shot rifle. Many gun writers at the time were criticizing the investment cast action as "weak". He took a .458 Win. Mag. case, and filled it with Bullseye powder. He then pounded in a Hornady 500 Gr. Soft Point bullet into the lands, and placed the Bullseye charged case behind it. From a distance they remotely fired the rifle. The only damage was the butt stock split at the tang. The action had to be pounded open. But the weapon did not blow up.

Bill Ruger was famous for testing many of his guns like this over the years. Because he was tired of constantly hearing how inherently weak investment cast parts were. So he jumped at the chance to prove them wrong.


I'm not a big Ruger guy, but none the less have owned a few over the years and currently have two(a Blackhawk in 45 Colt and a Single 7 327 Magnum).

I have my criticism of them, but there are two words/phrases that no reasonable person can ever use to describe the company or their products. Those words are "weak" and "poor customer service." I'm convinced that Ruger has the best customer service, bar none, in the business. Investment casting may not be the most ELEGANT way to build a strong firearm, but you can't argue with the results.


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They generally work but are huge heavy clunky guns, All that cast zinc.

Never would own one, Too many good guns out there that are not very expensive.

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Originally Posted by billt460
Perhaps, but I have to admit, I've got a little more respect for their barrels after seeing this.

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/03/...03-12&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

I actually saw a HP 9mm blow up in a shooters hand at SHOOT STRAIGHT gun range in Tampa, FL. 2009.


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Re: Are Hi-Point's Really Junk ?? [Re: BigdaddyG] #5129719 06/09/19 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BigdaddyG
Never would own one, Too many good guns out there that are not very expensive.


Yyup. A $250 used Smith & Wesson is SO superior, its off the charts. That's only about $70 more expensive.

A homeless guy can earn $70 in a day panhandling. Just about anyone, even the brokest of broke person, could have a garage sale, and come up with an extra $70 in a day.

I don't even know why the company exist, to be honest.

I went into a police supply gun store and said give me your most worn Glock, and make it cheap. He came back with the most worn, used Glock 17 in his shop, and I believe I paid about $250 for it. Worked perfect. No jams, no problems. I did the same thing a month later, only this time asked if he had any beat up Beretta pistols, and again, I walked out with a Beretta 92FS for about the same price. You can get Smith Sigma pistols all day long for $200. I see Smith SD9VE pistols for $225 all the time. This is a Glock clone pistol, that never jams. Its extremely high quality, for $225.


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I own one Hi-Point. A 995TS. I bought it on a whim. I was looking for a new .45 pistol and the carbine caught my eye hanging on the wall at the range. $199 and it looked barely used and came with 3 10 round magazines, a shoulder strap, and a green laser light. It’s very accurate and I have not had any malfunctions with it. It’s feels as heavy as my Maverick 88 12 gauge and less powerful with not much more capacity so I can’t really compliment it on practicality but it really is fun at the range. I have plenty of other more practical weapons for carry, home defense, etc.


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