Originally Posted by CKN
Originally Posted by billt460
Originally Posted by MrHorspwer
It's not me that says it, it's Edmunds. Three different cars each doing three loops on the same 106-mile test ride, one loop with start/stop disabled, one loop with start/stop enabled and A/C on, and one with start/stop enabled and A/C off.
There is always 2 sides to every story. Here is what many people who own them have to say after dealing with them over time. It's not all about saving a few pennies in gas.
"Unfortunately this feature is not well designed on many of today's vehicles. Many owners have complained about:
•Restart delay when pressing the gas pedal.
•Vibration when the vehicle restarts.
•Vehicle roll back on hills when shifting from the brake to the gas pedal.
•Heating and cooling systems change the temperature noticeably when the engine turns off.
•Nuisance stops and starts during maneuvers like parking.
•Anxiety as to whether the vehicle will restart.
•Startled or angry pedestrians when engine restarts in front of them.
•Concerns about the added wear on their on the vehicle with thousands of additional restarts.
•Battery replacement intervals being reduced considerably.
Then their is just the general frustration of having this 'nanny' feature forced on you in your vehicle you otherwise love!"
Some of the above points are laughable. The best one is "anxiety as to whether the vehicle will restart." If that's true you should have the same feelings every time you turn off your car after you park it. Edmund's was once a great site-it's no longer so. The next one is "startled or angry pedestrians-" REALLY? The biggest issue IMHO (that has been addressed by the FEDS) is almost being run over in parking lots by hybrid cars running only on electricity. You can't hear them.
The settings on these systems seem to be set at a short intervals. I would like to see a longer setting like 5-10 seconds before the engine shuts off. In a Fiat van I rented with this system, it would do exactly like you said, shut off during parking maneuvers for example. I found that annoying. That van also shut off in the first several minutes while the engine was cold. The stop and restart during that time is not something I would prefer. It must depend on the system as I've heard most systems now do not activate until the engine is warmed up.
Of course, once I discovered the off button for that system that became part of the startup actions as long as I had it.
We all have the capability to do this already. It's called the ignition. If you are at a train crossing with a long train, shut the car off. It's our choice , not the computer.
Originally Posted by billt460
Originally Posted by MrHorspwer
It's not me that says it, it's Edmunds. Three different cars each doing three loops on the same 106-mile test ride, one loop with start/stop disabled, one loop with start/stop enabled and A/C on, and one with start/stop enabled and A/C off.
There is always 2 sides to every story. Here is what many people who own them have to say after dealing with them over time. It's not all about saving a few pennies in gas.
"Unfortunately this feature is not well designed on many of today's vehicles. Many owners have complained about:
•Restart delay when pressing the gas pedal.
•Vibration when the vehicle restarts.
•Vehicle roll back on hills when shifting from the brake to the gas pedal.
•Heating and cooling systems change the temperature noticeably when the engine turns off.
•Nuisance stops and starts during maneuvers like parking.
•Anxiety as to whether the vehicle will restart.
•Startled or angry pedestrians when engine restarts in front of them.
•Concerns about the added wear on their on the vehicle with thousands of additional restarts.
•Battery replacement intervals being reduced considerably.
Then their is just the general frustration of having this 'nanny' feature forced on you in your vehicle you otherwise love!"
Some of the above points are laughable. The best one is "anxiety as to whether the vehicle will restart." If that's true you should have the same feelings every time you turn off your car after you park it. Edmund's was once a great site-it's no longer so. The next one is "startled or angry pedestrians-" REALLY? The biggest issue IMHO (that has been addressed by the FEDS) is almost being run over in parking lots by hybrid cars running only on electricity. You can't hear them.
The settings on these systems seem to be set at a short intervals. I would like to see a longer setting like 5-10 seconds before the engine shuts off. In a Fiat van I rented with this system, it would do exactly like you said, shut off during parking maneuvers for example. I found that annoying. That van also shut off in the first several minutes while the engine was cold. The stop and restart during that time is not something I would prefer. It must depend on the system as I've heard most systems now do not activate until the engine is warmed up.
Of course, once I discovered the off button for that system that became part of the startup actions as long as I had it.
We all have the capability to do this already. It's called the ignition. If you are at a train crossing with a long train, shut the car off. It's our choice , not the computer.