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Liqui Moly Full Syn Review #5043809
03/15/19 12:56 PM
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For users of Liqui Moly, I am interested in getting your input on the product. I saw YT video posted by Bill Trammell on MACTFOREDGE and MACTGARAGE giving his analysis of the product based on spec sheet, SDS and VOA, and comparing to a Wal-Mart Supertech product. He immediately calls it a scam because the products does not contain Moly, and says it is marketing deception. He then uses a bogus SDS, it was the UK/EU document for the wrong product and API grade, and points to possible mixture of oils claiming this is the full base oil formulation. He does not use the correct OSHA SDS, even though he is certified OSHA trainer and auditor. One look at the SDS, it clearly shows this petroleum description makes up less than 10% of the product, but he does not show his viewers that, and ignores the severely hydrotreated oil making up 60-80%. He used the spec sheet, latest and greatest from the company, not the spec sheet of the actual oil (SN only) he used and tested. He claims the TBN is wrong and the company is misrepresenting their product. The test is from Blackstone, and the D4739 test typically reports lower values on average. He claims at the end of the video is only good for 3-5k miles, despite what the manufacture reports, and said it is a Group 1 oil and unknown amount of Group II. He had not completed any actual real world testing or UOA, and compares it to another VOA. When I offered him the correct SDS and spec sheet he refused, and said he does not have time or money to verify the information. He openly challenges Liqui Moly to contact him, but he is unwilling to give out his contact info. He collect ad revenue from YT but he blocks commenting on his videos because there are too many crazy's out there, and the only commenting is through private FB group. If interested, join the group and ask questions and see what kind of response you get. Below is the link

Liqui Moly vs Supertech 5W20 is there a deception[/url]https://youtu.be/MCBJ-FnKxN4

Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: Talent_Keyhole] #5043817
03/15/19 01:05 PM
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I started watching one of that guy's videos and made it about 2 minutes in, it was just him droning on and his info seemed pretty suspect.
I would not assume that a Liqui Moly oil must contain moly, just like I don't assume Royal Purple contains aristocratic blood. It's just a company name...although I would guess most, if not all, of their oils do contain moly! I also hope their fuel injector cleaner does not contain moly!


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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: Virtus_Probi] #5043829
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Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
I started watching one of that guy's videos and made it about 2 minutes in, it was just him droning on and his info seemed pretty suspect.
I would not assume that a Liqui Moly oil must contain moly, just like I don't assume Royal Purple contains aristocratic blood. It's just a company name...although I would guess most, if not all, of their oils do contain moly! I also hope their fuel injector cleaner does not contain moly!


Some of the LM oils contain zero moly, FWIW.


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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: Talent_Keyhole] #5043840
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In other news, Shell oils don’t contain shells and there’s no platinum in Pennzoil Platinum - the composition of Fuchs products remains a mystery.


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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: weasley] #5043850
03/15/19 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by weasley
In other news, Shell oils don’t contain shells and there’s no platinum in Pennzoil Platinum - the composition of Fuchs products remains a mystery.

best comment of the day, i'm crying

also, we almost know for sure that amsoil has oil in it banana

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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: Talent_Keyhole] #5043867
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Originally Posted by Talent_Keyhole
For users of Liqui Moly, I am interested in getting your input on the product. I saw YT video posted by Bill Trammell on MACTFOREDGE and MACTGARAGE giving his analysis of the product based on spec sheet, SDS and VOA, and comparing to a Wal-Mart Supertech product.

Do you see the problem here?


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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: weasley] #5044038
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Originally Posted by weasley
In other news, Shell oils don’t contain shells and there’s no platinum in Pennzoil Platinum - the composition of Fuchs products remains a mystery.


I found your post very funny...but...a company that has 'Moly' in it's name would imply to me that there is moly in their oil....and there isn't in some of them....I think it's a bit deceptive....


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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: pbm] #5044367
03/15/19 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pbm
Originally Posted by weasley
In other news, Shell oils don’t contain shells and there’s no platinum in Pennzoil Platinum - the composition of Fuchs products remains a mystery.


I found your post very funny...but...a company that has 'Moly' in it's name would imply to me that there is moly in their oil....and there isn't in some of them....I think it's a bit deceptive....


The company started 70 years ago by producing an oil additive based on Molybdenum. Should they change their name or spin off a subsidiary because some products do not contain the ingredient. One of the oils they do have that contains Moly is called MolyGen. I guess Quaker State should change their name if it is no longer produced by Quakers in Pennsylvannia.

Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: Talent_Keyhole] #5044413
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Just did a change with LM in my VW...stuff is just fine....


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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: Talent_Keyhole] #5044476
03/15/19 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Talent_Keyhole
For users of Liqui Moly, I am interested in getting your input on the product. I saw YT video posted by Bill Trammell on MACTFOREDGE and MACTGARAGE giving his analysis of the product based on spec sheet, SDS and VOA, and comparing to a Wal-Mart Supertech product. He immediately calls it a scam because the products does not contain Moly, and says it is marketing deception. He then uses a bogus SDS, it was the UK/EU document for the wrong product and API grade, and points to possible mixture of oils claiming this is the full base oil formulation. He does not use the correct OSHA SDS, even though he is certified OSHA trainer and auditor. One look at the SDS, it clearly shows this petroleum description makes up less than 10% of the product, but he does not show his viewers that, and ignores the severely hydrotreated oil making up 60-80%. He used the spec sheet, latest and greatest from the company, not the spec sheet of the actual oil (SN only) he used and tested. He claims the TBN is wrong and the company is misrepresenting their product. The test is from Blackstone, and the D4739 test typically reports lower values on average. He claims at the end of the video is only good for 3-5k miles, despite what the manufacture reports, and said it is a Group 1 oil and unknown amount of Group II. He had not completed any actual real world testing or UOA, and compares it to another VOA. When I offered him the correct SDS and spec sheet he refused, and said he does not have time or money to verify the information. He openly challenges Liqui Moly to contact him, but he is unwilling to give out his contact info. He collect ad revenue from YT but he blocks commenting on his videos because there are too many crazy's out there, and the only commenting is through private FB group. If interested, join the group and ask questions and see what kind of response you get. Below is the link

Liqui Moly vs Supertech 5W20 is there a deception[/url]https://youtu.be/MCBJ-FnKxN4



Sounds like the guy is totally full of it.

However, that said, I don't see how LM is worth the premium, it's not magical. Other oils of the same spec will do the same things for less. LM banks a lot of money on that Hergestellt in Deutschland cachet.


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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: Talent_Keyhole] #5044831
03/16/19 11:15 AM
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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: Talent_Keyhole] #5044850
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LiquiMoly (LM) has a lot of certfied approved oils. I'd expect them to be comparable to anything else with similar specs.

We do wonder about Quality Control at various companies, yet its almost impossible to really track that ourselves. For example, Ravenol has been maligned by the Russion Oil Club for some sort of quality issues, and they were caught on BITOG here puting dexos1 Gen1 in a dexos1 Gen2 jug. Once somebody catches LM doing something wrong, we would have reason to avoid them.

They do tend to be expensive here in the U.S compared to the "Gold Standard of Cheapness", walmart Castrol or M1 euro oils, and others there, like the bargain SuperTech (Warren blended) oil. ....
As for whether they have moly in them or not, moly is a friction modifier (FM), and there are other FMs that don't even show up on a VOA or UOA. Also, there is tungsten, which their MolyGen has in addition to moly.

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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: oil_film_movies] #5044853
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Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
LiquiMoly (LM) has a lot of certfied approved oils. I'd expect them to be comparable to anything else with similar specs.

We do wonder about Quality Control at various companies, yet its almost impossible to really track that ourselves. For example, Ravenol has been maligned by the Russion Oil Club for some sort of quality issues, and they were caught on BITOG here puting dexos1 Gen1 in a dexos1 Gen2 jug. Once somebody catches LM doing something wrong, we would have reason to avoid them.

They do tend to be expensive here in the U.S compared to the "Gold Standard of Cheapness", walmart Castrol or M1 euro oils, and others there, like the bargain SuperTech (Warren blended) oil. ....
As for whether they have moly in them or not, moly is a friction modifier (FM), and there are other FMs that don't even show up on a VOA or UOA. Also, there is tungsten, which their MolyGen has in addition to moly.

Some 17-18 years ago, before I came to US Liqui Moly was doing very aggressive marketing across Europe. So I bought several times. It was amazing how fast that oil was finding its way out of oil pan to "outside." I would not touch LM with 10 foot pole.
They do invest a lot in marketing though, if that is most important to buyer.


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Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: Talent_Keyhole] #5044865
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Maybe the safest oil to buy for quality control is to buy the manufacturer's labelled oil, like BMW TwinPower. You know Shell, who makes it for BMW, wouldn't dare put junk in the bottle due to random monitoring by BMW.
Also, another example of the pressure on makers to keep consistent quality up, is that Exxon-Mobil knows the other major competitors are sampling and analyzing what they are doing and will pounce if they see an issue. Maybe someone else has better insight on how pressure is applied to keep them honest.
Something more than just PQIA policing everybody might be in place due to industry certifications.

Re: Liqui Moly Full Syn Review [Re: littlehulkster] #5045020
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He is full of it, refuses to look at the correct spec sheets, and SDS, and acts like he is some expert on oi formulation. When I question his analysis he gets mad, tells me to make my own videos, and spend my own money, and then blocks me from posting on the FB group. I did much of the same thing with oil testing in my mortorcycle, auto-crosser and and daily driver 25 years ago. He go a lot views on YT after doing a series of Amsoil, and so now he is doing all kinds of YT oil comparisons. Seems a bit greedy, and likes to baffle the unsuspecting viewers with you know what.

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