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Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: Dinoburner] #5020069
02/22/19 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dinoburner

the latest genius idea in my part of NH is using small round stone and salt , think ball bearings that pelt the undercarriage viciously. People on dirt roads like it. We tried a hard brake test and it was no worse than plain sand/salt mix. We use a local shop for oiling on the 77 and 95 and there is no rust. The shop owner that rebuilt the auto trans on the 95 said he would think twice before doing another one.


I've seen those round balls of salt, I'll take those over the spray treatment they do now. Have you seen this stuff? Usually it's on the highways but I've seen them do side roads too. A truck is just spraying this brime right into the pavement...they say it's worse than the rock salt because the rock salt takes a little time to coat and get up into your frame, whereas the brine spray is instant and easily gets into all of the crevices and is instantly activated as a rust causing agent. Nasty stuff.

Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: Railrust] #5020377
02/22/19 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Railrust
Originally Posted by Dinoburner

the latest genius idea in my part of NH is using small round stone and salt , think ball bearings that pelt the undercarriage viciously. People on dirt roads like it. We tried a hard brake test and it was no worse than plain sand/salt mix. We use a local shop for oiling on the 77 and 95 and there is no rust. The shop owner that rebuilt the auto trans on the 95 said he would think twice before doing another one.


I've seen those round balls of salt, I'll take those over the spray treatment they do now. Have you seen this stuff? Usually it's on the highways but I've seen them do side roads too. A truck is just spraying this brime right into the pavement...they say it's worse than the rock salt because the rock salt takes a little time to coat and get up into your frame, whereas the brine spray is instant and easily gets into all of the crevices and is instantly activated as a rust causing agent. Nasty stuff.


That brine also is very tough to get off the windsheild when it is kicked up by vehicles in front. Wiper fluid doesn't seem to completely clean it, usually causes it to streak.


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Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: xxch4osxx] #5029833
03/03/19 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by xxch4osxx
Originally Posted by Railrust
Originally Posted by Dinoburner

the latest genius idea in my part of NH is using small round stone and salt , think ball bearings that pelt the undercarriage viciously. People on dirt roads like it. We tried a hard brake test and it was no worse than plain sand/salt mix. We use a local shop for oiling on the 77 and 95 and there is no rust. The shop owner that rebuilt the auto trans on the 95 said he would think twice before doing another one.


I've seen those round balls of salt, I'll take those over the spray treatment they do now. Have you seen this stuff? Usually it's on the highways but I've seen them do side roads too. A truck is just spraying this brime right into the pavement...they say it's worse than the rock salt because the rock salt takes a little time to coat and get up into your frame, whereas the brine spray is instant and easily gets into all of the crevices and is instantly activated as a rust causing agent. Nasty stuff.


That brine also is very tough to get off the windsheild when it is kicked up by vehicles in front. Wiper fluid doesn't seem to completely clean it, usually causes it to streak.


Tell me about it, I've gone through 3 gallons of windshield washer fluid in the past month. I can't wait to get out of this winter, we didn't get a lot of snow where I am this year, but it seems like there's been some sort of little even almost every day...an inch here, some rain, a deep freeze, ice, a couple inches there, more ice. Salt salt salt salt. Brime brime brime brime.

Did an oil change the other day, checked the fluid film treatment I did back in November. I'd say it did pretty well so far...had to touch up two areas. But I don't know how much longer it'll last going through this winter. I'll do another application in May...then another in November. I've read that the more you do it over the years, the more it mixes with the dust and sand and creates a decent barrier. It's not the thickest stuff to begin with.

Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: LeakySeals] #5041628
03/13/19 01:16 PM
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ON, Canada eh?
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I've seen better as well but given the area this vehicle is in, it's fantastic versus not using anything and what that would have produced. I'd buy the vehicle in this condition.


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Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: LeakySeals] #5041645
03/13/19 01:36 PM
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Looks fantastic esp considering location and the fact that those cars are very prone to rusting.

Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: LeakySeals] #5046091
03/17/19 06:27 PM
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I drive an ’03 Silverado 1500HD extended cab PU. It was used to launch and trailer a boat for many years. I also live in NJ where we have a brine-happy governor. He was unprepared for one of our first storms this winter so he has the roads brined even its supposed to be 40F and rainy, just in case!

The truck doesn’t have a significant rust problem but it has developed large areas of surface rust, no rust through. I’m sure this is from the brining. What has been the experience with rust converters followed by painting? Do the converters really work and what are the best ones. I plan to do this in the spring if it’s worth it.

Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: RDMgr] #5046103
03/17/19 06:52 PM
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Hudson, NH
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Originally Posted by RDMgr
I drive an ’03 Silverado 1500HD extended cab PU. It was used to launch and trailer a boat for many years. I also live in NJ where we have a brine-happy governor. He was unprepared for one of our first storms this winter so he has the roads brined even its supposed to be 40F and rainy, just in case!

The truck doesn’t have a significant rust problem but it has developed large areas of surface rust, no rust through. I’m sure this is from the brining. What has been the experience with rust converters followed by painting? Do the converters really work and what are the best ones. I plan to do this in the spring if it’s worth it.

GM trucks are factory coated with black wax. Petroleum products degrade and erode the wax. So any kind of petroleum-based oil spray is not recommended on GM waxed frames. Of course if all the wax is gone it doesn't really matter anymore. This is what I use on my truck it still has most of its factory wax. Rust converter on the left. Original frame wax aerosol on the right. And in the middle a wax that goes on everything else. Like brake lines. Bolts. Any kind of metal. Another thing I like about this method is things stay clean underneath. You don't get covered in greasy sand and soot every time you work underneath.

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Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: LeakySeals] #5058409
03/30/19 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LeakySeals
Originally Posted by RDMgr
I drive an ’03 Silverado 1500HD extended cab PU. It was used to launch and trailer a boat for many years. I also live in NJ where we have a brine-happy governor. He was unprepared for one of our first storms this winter so he has the roads brined even its supposed to be 40F and rainy, just in case!

The truck doesn’t have a significant rust problem but it has developed large areas of surface rust, no rust through. I’m sure this is from the brining. What has been the experience with rust converters followed by painting? Do the converters really work and what are the best ones. I plan to do this in the spring if it’s worth it.

GM trucks are factory coated with black wax. Petroleum products degrade and erode the wax. So any kind of petroleum-based oil spray is not recommended on GM waxed frames. Of course if all the wax is gone it doesn't really matter anymore. This is what I use on my truck it still has most of its factory wax. Rust converter on the left. Original frame wax aerosol on the right. And in the middle a wax that goes on everything else. Like brake lines. Bolts. Any kind of metal. Another thing I like about this method is things stay clean underneath. You don't get covered in greasy sand and soot every time you work underneath.


I totally agree that I've read you're not supposed to fluid film or oil that GM frame wax, however I have fluid filmed mine twice since new, no issues, and there's a train of thought that the fluid film or other products will keep the wax supple. And that's what I've found so far. And I personally know two other people that also do this.

The GM wax is horrible, as it doesn't cover everything underneath the truck (mine was starting to rust just sitting right on the dealer's lot). Couldn't believe it. And the wax comes off very very easily...a rock tossed up from a tire can remove it, a lift pad, anything that comes in contact with it. And after a few years it just dries right out and flies right off in large clumps.

I think the best alternative is to kind of build barriers as you go...a treatment, drive over a dusty road, another treatment, drive over a dusty road. Or apply your Nox Rust or RP-342 as frequently as you can...both are great products. I might try going this route next year, but I have five gallons of fluid Film sitting in my garage (I went a little over board, lol).

Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: LeakySeals] #5060606
04/01/19 10:34 AM
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It looks good based on those pics! If the deal was right, that's a great find for a kid, winter beater or someone really in need. That 2005 would probably not still be on the road had it not been treated.


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Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: LeakySeals] #5104109
05/13/19 10:15 AM
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Well, things are not so good under the oil. Was hiding frame rot by the front lower control arm.

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Welded a patch, added wax. Hopefully better results.

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Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: LeakySeals] #5108252
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Not clear how oil was “hiding” it, that hole wouldn’t be able to be hid... maybe a poorly affixed patch and spray undercoating, not oil.

Re: Oiled undercarraige long term pics. [Re: JHZR2] #5108411
05/18/19 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JHZR2
Not clear how oil was “hiding” it, that hole wouldn’t be able to be hid... maybe a poorly affixed patch and spray undercoating, not oil.

The rust hole was plugged with soot, sand, and dirt that was stuck to the oil. Looked solid till I started spraying. Was either a bad application, only spraying from underneath. Or it was ineffective. Soot plugged the drains on that frame part. Either way there is rust under the oil. I mig welded a patch and gave it a heavy coat of wax for a more permanent durable anti-rust coating. Should hold for a few years which is about all that is required of a first car.


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