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Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? #5038902 03/10/19 11:15 PM
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I was looking on the new Castrol website, and I noticed that the European 0w-40 (A3/b4, 229.5,A40) does not seem to carry LL-01 anymore. What are some thoughts on this, I suspect they may have failed the same turbocharger test that Mobil 1 did. The date on the product data sheet posted herein is July 20, 2018.

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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5038905 03/10/19 11:18 PM
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Old news.

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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5038907 03/10/19 11:23 PM
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Stick to Mobil 1. Best oil, always getting attacked by the competition (SOPUS), therefore you know which is the beast Mobil 1

Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5038914 03/10/19 11:34 PM
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First Mobil, now Castrol. Who’s next?


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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5038918 03/10/19 11:45 PM
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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5038940 03/11/19 12:50 AM
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Does this also coincide with the formulation change of Castrol 0W-40?

Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5038954 03/11/19 02:08 AM
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Anything that meets A40 and 229.5 is amazing oil.


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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5038955 03/11/19 02:12 AM
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For all practical purposes, LL-01 is an obsolete specification. BMW's most recent TSB states that LL-01FE can be used in LL-01 applications.


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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: PPWarrior] #5038982 03/11/19 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PPWarrior
Stick to Mobil 1. Best oil, always getting attacked by the competition (SOPUS), therefore you know which is the beast Mobil 1


Mobil1 hasn't carried that spec for even longer than Castrol.


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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: claluja] #5038984 03/11/19 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by claluja
Anything that meets A40 and 229.5 is amazing oil.


That doesn't help anyone who needs a BMW spec'd oil.


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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5038988 03/11/19 04:54 AM
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OP, if you want or need the BMW spec in a Xw40, their 5w40 still carries it...

https://www.castrol.com/en_us/unite...l-edge-brand/castrol-edge.html#tab_5w-40



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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: The Critic] #5039010 03/11/19 06:08 AM
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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5039011 03/11/19 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by The Critic
For all practical purposes, LL-01 is an obsolete specification. BMW's most recent TSB states that LL-01FE can be used in LL-01 applications.


^^^ This

IMO it's just part of the transition to 20w since all of the current engine offerings by BMW can run on 20w.


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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: The Critic] #5039017 03/11/19 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by The Critic
For all practical purposes, LL-01 is an obsolete specification. BMW's most recent TSB states that LL-01FE can be used in LL-01 applications.

Exactly.

All the hand wringing we did over Mobil 1 is going to happen again apparently - though to me it is clear that Castrol is positioning their 0W-40 exactly the same way as Mobil - it is still their premium product with the most current and relevant specifications.

There is still Castrol 5W-40, an "old" oil that meets "old" specifications like LL01.


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Re: Castrol Edge 0W-40 lost LL-01? [Re: ad_infinitum] #5039125 03/11/19 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ad_infinitum
I suspect they may have failed the same turbocharger test that Mobil 1 did. The date on the product data sheet posted herein is July 20, 2018.



What?

Where in the heck did that come from?

From the EXTENSIVE discussion we had on here, there was absolutely no reason ever uncovered as to why Mobil dropped the LL-01 approval with the FS reformulation. There was a lot of SPECULATION, but beyond that, nothing.

This will be the THIRD 0w-40 to be lacking LL-01 on its approval list, whilst retaining the other current relevant manufacturer approvals:
1. M1 FS 0w-40
2. Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0w-40
3. Castrol Edge 0w-40 (new)

So either the oils are all becoming junk, yet managing to retain A40, 229.5, 502.00...etc, or, what is more likely, is that these flagship products are simply not being re-certified for LL-01 when reformulated/formulated because it's no longer a current spec.


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