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Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: weasley] #5025067 02/27/19 04:53 AM
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Wow - it seems we have it pretty hard over here! But perhaps for good reasons. There is a feeling amongst some that the draconian licencing laws are designed to kill off motorcycles - it seems to be working.


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Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: blupupher] #5025082 02/27/19 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by blupupher
Interesting thing is, in Texas you can get your full motorcycle drivers license at age 15, so long as you have an automotive learners permit and have passed the MSF course. There are no restrictions on engine size or power.


So at FIFTEEN, after passing a course, a kid can legally ride whatever bike they want?


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Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: hpb] #5025101 02/27/19 07:08 AM
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Interesting thing is, in Texas you can get your full motorcycle drivers license at age 15, so long as you have an automotive learners permit and have passed the MSF course. There are no restrictions on engine size or power.


So at FIFTEEN, after passing a course, a kid can legally ride whatever bike they want?

I misspoke on that one, at 15 you can get a license, but are limited to a 250cc bike, at age 16, you can then go get whatever you want.
Not sure when that was added. At age 15 I had my license and a VF500F sportbike, and was riding friends GSXR1000 legally.

Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: blupupher] #5026237 02/28/19 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by blupupher
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In Texas, you must pass the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) course before applying for a license.
Once you have your MSF certificate, you have 2 options, get a motorcycle permit, where you must ride with a licensed motorcycle rider in site that is age 21 or older, or you can go and get your motorcycle endorsement at the drivers license office. Not really sure why you would get a permit instead of a license though.

Seems I heard that passing the MSF course also counts as your driving test portion for DPS? Not positive on that though.

Interesting thing is, in Texas you can get your full motorcycle drivers license at age 15, so long as you have an automotive learners permit and have passed the MSF course.

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If your over 18 with a valid drivers license you do not need a motorcycle safety course and no mention of a MSF.
If you are over 18 and do take the motorcycle Safety Course (not MSF course) they will waive the written test and road test.

"Completing a motorcycle safety course is required of all Texas motorcycle license applicants.

If you're between 15 and 17 years old, before enrolling in a motorcycle safety course you must already have any of the following:

Class C learner's license.
Certificate of completion for standard classroom Driver's Ed.
Provisional driver's license.

If you're at least 18 years old with a valid Texas driver's license, completing a motorcycle education course allows you to waive the Department of Public Safety's motorcycle written and road exams.

Regardless of your age, taking a motorcycle safety course can be extremely beneficial, enabling you to learn skills like:

Avoiding dangerous situations and riding behaviors.
Basic motorcycle handling (e.g. stopping and turning).
Dealing with emergencies.
Choosing the most protective clothing.

If you'd like to learn more about motorcycle education in Texas, check out the DPS' guide to the motorcycle safety course. When you're ready to enroll in a motorcycle safety course, reference the TX Department of Public Safety's list of approved motorcycle trainers throughout the state. "

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Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: alarmguy] #5026276 02/28/19 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by alarmguy


If your over 18 with a valid drivers license you do not need a motorcycle safety course and no mention of a MSF.
If you are over 18 and do take the motorcycle Safety Course (not MSF course) they will waive the written test and road test.

Your quoting a privately run site, I am quoting Texas DPS and personal experience.
You need to take a state approved motorcycle safety course, and the only approved course I have seen is the MSF course (basic or intermediate certificates will allow an exemption to the road test).

If over 18 and you already have a motorcycle license from another state, then you do not need to take the course.


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Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: weasley] #5026893 02/28/19 07:14 PM
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I did my MC license in Connecticut. Learners permit, followed by a dual cone slalom test. Weave your way to the end, then ride down the middle and stop rapidly. I had seen the test before and chose to bring my Honda 90. Others rode big bikes and failed. They then borrowed my bike and passed.



It was clearly set up to be exceedingly difficult for big bikes.


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Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: blupupher] #5026923 02/28/19 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blupupher
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If your over 18 with a valid drivers license you do not need a motorcycle safety course and no mention of a MSF.
If you are over 18 and do take the motorcycle Safety Course (not MSF course) they will waive the written test and road test.

Your quoting a privately run site, I am quoting Texas DPS and personal experience.
You need to take a state approved motorcycle safety course, and the only approved course I have seen is the MSF course (basic or intermediate certificates will allow an exemption to the road test).

If over 18 and you already have a motorcycle license from another state, then you do not need to take the course.


Ill take your word for it. :o) Since you seem to have gone through it, it just seems hard to believe in Texas, the land of the free and would be the only state that I know of.
Even the TEXAS OFFICIAL WEBSITE contradicts themselves, that is government for you. Again, love the state of Texas as I do my home state which still feels like the land of the free, maybe more so now. *L*

"Motorcycle Drive Test
The motorcycle drive test CANNOT be waived for any applicant under 18. All Individuals must take the motorcycle drive test unless the individuals are:

18 years of age or older, has completed a motorcycle safety course and holds a valid, unrestricted Texas Class A, B, or C license"

(One would think, the road test would not be waived if you did not do the safety course. I still think this is the case?)

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To your credit I also see this, but I am thinking this maybe if the person does not have a drivers license?
Go figure, surprised Texas is so messed up! Geez, even CUJET who lives in CT doesnt have to to a safety course and thats the northeast ha ha. (cujet, I was born raised and lived most my life up there, nothing personal *L*)

"To obtain a Class M driver license, individuals must take a DPS-approved motorcycle safety course and bring the certificate of completion with them to the driver license office. If an individual has a valid motorcycle license from another state, DPS will waive the motorcycle safety course requirement." (maybe this is if the person does not have a regular drivers license?)


HERE IS THE SOURCE

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Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: weasley] #5027102 02/28/19 10:53 PM
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I was grandfathered in when the M endorsement was first required in N.C. All I had to do was pay the endorsement fee. My son was without a motorcycle for a few years and had to take a class and a copy of the course completion to the DMV. Looks like motorcycle drivers licensing requirements need standardization nationwide.

Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: weasley] #5028599 03/02/19 06:15 AM
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Many states now require the MSF course...RI, FL, and PA come to mind. Great little scam, too, since the states charge for it.


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Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: weasley] #5038736 03/10/19 08:01 PM
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Not sure what it's like now but many years ago the riding test in Florida was fairly extensive. You couldn't get a motorcycle license everywhere, only the offices with a test course set up. I had to do a slow speed slalom around traffic cones, a u-turn in a painted box, and several other maneuvers. I had been riding for several years before I took the test but it was still challenging on a borrowed, unfamiliar motorcycle.

Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: Jarlaxle] #5057891 03/29/19 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
Many states now require the MSF course...RI, FL, and PA come to mind. Great little scam, too, since the states charge for it.


Great little scam for motorcycle dealers also! I was interested in what everyone was charging, and the local Harley dealer wanted roughly $350 for the course at their site. I checked the local Community College and they offered the same course, and I found out later taught by the same instructors for the same pay, for $175. The Harley dealer is really raking it in. Most folks don't even know they can get the same course at the community college for substantially less. The Harley dealer's lot is loaded with folks taking the course almost every weekend. A minimum of 10 people every time I have gone by there. I went by the community college one weekend when they had the course going and they had a whopping 4 people in the class.


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In Arkansas, you could ( 70's) operate a motorcycle on public roads at age 13. The written test was the same as the regular written test, and the only practical requirement that I recall is that a state police officer had to watch you ride up to the end of the road, turn around without putting your foot down, and make it back to the point of beginning without crashing.

Crash bars on the frame were required ( to protect your legs, but really didn't do anything safety wise imo ).

This got you the "M" endorsement on your license.

There may or may not have been a displacement limit, but I don't think so. Most kids started with a 90, 100, or a 125, if you were really flush.

Apparently the "M" stays on your license forever, unless you request that it be removed. AFAIK, I could go buy whatever I want and just ride it off, since I still have the endorsement ...


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Re: Motorcycle training and licencing [Re: weasley] #5067366 04/07/19 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by weasley
Wow - it seems we have it pretty hard over here! But perhaps for good reasons. There is a feeling amongst some that the draconian licencing laws are designed to kill off motorcycles - it seems to be working.


Well, let's see how that works after Brexit, and Scotland and Ireland vote to leave (the UK). I'll bet all sorts of licensing gets changed laugh


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Originally Posted by weasley
Wow - it seems we have it pretty hard over here! But perhaps for good reasons. There is a feeling amongst some that the draconian licencing laws are designed to kill off motorcycles - it seems to be working.


Well, let's see how that works after Brexit, and Scotland and Ireland vote to leave (the UK). I'll bet all sorts of licensing gets changed laugh


Ireland is already independent from the UK (since 1922). I suspect you meant Northern Ireland? I'm not even going to go there - it's a very emotive subject. Scotland? It'll be interesting to see how they will fund an independent Scotland.

Our current licencing laws were a result of the European Union Third Directive which aimed to harmonise licencing across Europe. It is unlikely we will deviate much, if at all, from the EU's laws regardless of the future union status.


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