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Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: OVERKILL] #5033116
03/05/19 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL


XG10060:
Height 3.33
Inside Diameter 22mmx1.5mm Th'd
Outside Diameter 3
Anti-Drainback Valve YES
By-Pass Valve Setting 9-15
Style 1
Base Gasket I.D. 2.45
Base Gasket O.D. 2.76
Base Gasket Thickness 0.191

XG2:
Height 3.984
Inside Diameter 22mmx1.5mm Th'd
Outside Diameter 3.656
Anti-Drainback Valve YES
By-Pass Valve Setting 12
Style 1
Turning Specification 3/4-1
Base Gasket I.D. 2.422
Base Gasket O.D. 2.813
Base Gasket Thickness 0.203


So threads are the same, bypass valve is roughly the same, gasket ID/OD is a bit different with the XG2 having a more generous gasket. So yes, I'd say your observations are correct, that the XG2 should work, provided it fits in the space available.



The gasket size is not the same; that's all you need to know.

Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: OVERKILL] #5033160
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The base gaskets are close enough - should work fine. The gasket on the XG2 is just a bit wider (same ID, slightly larger OD), which gives more sealing area on the filter mount. Just make sure the mount is a bit larger in dia then the gasket OD.

Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: das_peikko] #5033185
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Originally Posted by das_peikko



The gasket size is not the same; that's all you need to know.

The largest difference is the OD at just over 5 thousandths larger. Since this is a circle, if you were to lay these gaskets on top of each other it would be 2-3 thousandths overhanging all the way around.
There is enough metal cut on the base plate to accommodate that. Trust me, there is. Its a car, not the space shuttle.

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Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: Colt45ws] #5033186
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Originally Posted by Colt45ws
Originally Posted by das_peikko
The gasket size is not the same; that's all you need to know.

The largest difference is the OD at about 5 thousandths larger. There is enough metal cut on the base plate to accommodate that. Trust me, there is.


More like 50 thou, which is 1.25 mm.

Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: OVERKILL] #5033207
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The 10060 I used all the way back in 2014 on my hemi 1500. It goes in the trucks with the electric power assist steering.


86 Mustang 5.0L V8 170km - Amsoil XL 5w30 / Baldwin B2-HPG filter
18 Ram 1500 3.0 Diesel - Rotella T6 5w40 / Mopar 68229402AA filter
98 Jeep ZJ 5.9 V8 - Amsoil OE 10w30 / Baldwin B34 filter
Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: OVERKILL] #5033210
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Just curious but how long of an OCI are you going to do with the Ultra and the EP 0w20 on your new truck?

Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: blupupher] #5033229
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Originally Posted by blupupher

I may try the 10060 size filter on my F150, the XG2 size is a bit big getting it into place. .


No....... You would use the XG10575


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Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: OVERKILL] #5033302
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We love the fact that one filter now fits all our GM trucks and our RAM. Makes it easy...


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Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: OVERKILL] #5033309
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What did the OEM do in regard to filters?
Was this only the change in the Fram recommended filter?

Generally, with today's clean running engines and good intake filtering, there's not a lot for a filter to have to hold. Capacity isn't a giant issue overall. The smaller filter will likely do fine.


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: OVERKILL] #5033324
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Just picked up a couple FRAM Ultra's for the RAM and discovered that they are seriously downsized from the previous filter the 5.7L called for as well as the current 6 4L filter crzy

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One of these with M1 EP 0w-20 are going in the truck tomorrow, it's got ~1,000Km on it now, so time to flush out the break-in junk.


The change was based on FCA making the change. The reality is modern engines really do not put alot of dirt in the oil. Most often the reason for the downsize is cost and accessability. Yes, the smaller filter may cost a few pennies less but thise pennies add up when you build a million engines with that filter


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Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: madeej11] #5033367
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Originally Posted by madeej11
Just curious but how long of an OCI are you going to do with the Ultra and the EP 0w20 on your new truck?


Whatever the OLM interval ends up being.


2019 RAM 1500 Sport - Mobil 1 EP 0w-20, FRAM Ultra
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT - Ravenol SSL 0w-40, FRAM Ultra
Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: mechjames] #5033368
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Originally Posted by mechjames
The 10060 I used all the way back in 2014 on my hemi 1500. It goes in the trucks with the electric power assist steering.


Makes sense. I assume this is due to a space issue?


2019 RAM 1500 Sport - Mobil 1 EP 0w-20, FRAM Ultra
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT - Ravenol SSL 0w-40, FRAM Ultra
Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: Linctex] #5033383
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Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by das_peikko
Originally Posted by chantheman
What else does the XG10060 fit?


According to FRAM, a Dodge RAM 1500 2019 V8 5.7L


Apparently, a lot of newer Chevys, also


A big user are the 2007-2013 Chev LS V-8’s in Silverados and Suburbans. They have a recessed space along the cast oil pan. Not sure of if a G-2 will fit. If you want a longer filter use the 10575. Just by fluke, the filter is really for 2014 and up trucks, but Fram did not bother to change the bypass pressure like they should have. They still match the 10060. I have one in my 6 liter right now.
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Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: OVERKILL] #5033390
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I remember my friend's K1500 ( '89 Chevy Silverado 5.7) had a downsized oil filter due to 4WD configuration.
The 2WD variant had a huge oil filter.

THEN, if a car company sees no engines destroyed by a small filter they might just convert them all to small.

Re: Honey, they shrunk my... filter? [Re: Kira] #5033402
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I have compared changes in my 2010 5.3L and 2018 5.3L … oil pumps, oil cooler, oil capacity up, piston oil jets, and yes ... the oil filter is larger … (and higher PRV pressure) …

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