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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: advocate] #5032525 03/05/19 02:18 PM
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This is good service from Ford. I suspect that these qualifying defective engines will get worse quickly, and Ford is preventing a Blue Oval Smoke = fail emissions testing & consequent social media fiasco


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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: KGMtech] #5032529 03/05/19 02:26 PM
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This is good service from Ford. I suspect that these qualifying defective engines will get worse quickly, and Ford is preventing a Blue Oval Smoke = fail emissions testing & consequent social media fiasco

I think you're right. They must know they're going to fail in relatively short order, or they'd be saying adding a quart of oil even in 1K miles is normal.


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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: advocate] #5032700 03/05/19 05:22 PM
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There seems to be an issue with the Mustang GT 5.0 engines, as well. Google Mustang GT 5.0 tick and all sorts of hits pop up. Some have had dealer mechanics say there has been abnormal scoring on the rear most cylinder walls. Replacing short blocks hasn't helped. I drove one of these on a 3500 mile road trip and thought it was an awesome car. Hope they take care of this, too.


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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: Toy4x4] #5032707 03/05/19 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy4x4
There seems to be an issue with the Mustang GT 5.0 engines, as well. Google Mustang GT 5.0 tick and all sorts of hits pop up. Some have had dealer mechanics say there has been abnormal scoring on the rear most cylinder walls. Replacing short blocks hasn't helped. I drove one of these on a 3500 mile road trip and thought it was an awesome car. Hope they take care of this, too.

The easiest coyotes had those issues I believe. Are you hearing this about 2018s?


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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: advocate] #5032733 03/05/19 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by advocate
But now at 1 quart per 3000 miles they will replace the long block.


I'm really surprised it isn't the usual "1 qt or more per 1000 mile" standard that a lot of car companies use.

Ford will probably be changing out quite a few long blocks if going by the 1 qt per 3000 miles spec.

Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: hatt] #5032738 03/05/19 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hatt
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There seems to be an issue with the Mustang GT 5.0 engines, as well. Google Mustang GT 5.0 tick and all sorts of hits pop up. Some have had dealer mechanics say there has been abnormal scoring on the rear most cylinder walls. Replacing short blocks hasn't helped. I drove one of these on a 3500 mile road trip and thought it was an awesome car. Hope they take care of this, too.

The easiest coyotes had those issues I believe. Are you hearing this about 2018s?


Yes, '18s and I believe 19s, too.


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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: hatt] #5032752 03/05/19 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by hatt
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There seems to be an issue with the Mustang GT 5.0 engines, as well. Google Mustang GT 5.0 tick and all sorts of hits pop up. Some have had dealer mechanics say there has been abnormal scoring on the rear most cylinder walls. Replacing short blocks hasn't helped. I drove one of these on a 3500 mile road trip and thought it was an awesome car. Hope they take care of this, too.

The easiest coyotes had those issues I believe. Are you hearing this about 2018s?


Yes, the Gen3 Coyote in the 2018+ Mustangs have some issues going on too. Same basic engine as what's in the new F-150s.

Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: ZeeOSix] #5032784 03/05/19 06:33 PM
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There seems to be an issue with the Mustang GT 5.0 engines, as well. Google Mustang GT 5.0 tick and all sorts of hits pop up. Some have had dealer mechanics say there has been abnormal scoring on the rear most cylinder walls. Replacing short blocks hasn't helped. I drove one of these on a 3500 mile road trip and thought it was an awesome car. Hope they take care of this, too.

The easiest coyotes had those issues I believe. Are you hearing this about 2018s?


Yes, the Gen3 Coyote in the 2018+ Mustangs have some issues going on too. Same basic engine as what's in the new F-150s.

Way to go Ford. They figured out how to have issues with a pretty solid engine.


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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: advocate] #5032800 03/05/19 06:49 PM
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1 quart in 3,000 miles and they're replacing the engine? The funny thing is I always thought the 5.0 in the F150 was the lesser of two evils.

Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: itguy08] #5032810 03/05/19 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by itguy08
We don't know what the issue is - could be rings, piston clearance, liner, any # of issues. It's probably cheaper for the mfg to ship a long block than have a tech replace pistons, rings, etc to maybe fix the issue. They can replace the long block and be done with it and send it to the factory where it can be machined and put back together properly.

PWTA liners are not new - they have been used on the GT-R, GT350, and other high performance vehicles. It's not new but most likely this is one of the few high volume applications. We don't know if it's a lining issue or any one of the other things that cause oil consumption.


It's interesting reading the responses and general disdain for "new and different" here. For the most part new works well. I "took that gamble" 3 times and it's worked out well. 2010 Taurus SHO (new Ecoboost 3.5 and 6F55 @ 130k runs great with minimal maintenance), 2011 F150 with the EB 3.5 (94k and runs great, only issue was the condensation and it does like plugs every 40k), and 2018 Mustang GT, while too early to tell (7500 mi) it should be fine as well. Some designs have issues but as a whole it's not the dire stuff many around here paint it as.


Lets see "new and different", first US liner less aluminum block in the Chevy Vega, first cylinder deactivation system in a US car GM 8-6-4 are just a couple that come to mind. No disdain for new or different here but definitely a disdain for crap technology.


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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: Trav] #5032866 03/05/19 07:31 PM
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We don't know what the issue is - could be rings, piston clearance, liner, any # of issues. It's probably cheaper for the mfg to ship a long block than have a tech replace pistons, rings, etc to maybe fix the issue. They can replace the long block and be done with it and send it to the factory where it can be machined and put back together properly.

PWTA liners are not new - they have been used on the GT-R, GT350, and other high performance vehicles. It's not new but most likely this is one of the few high volume applications. We don't know if it's a lining issue or any one of the other things that cause oil consumption.

It's interesting reading the responses and general disdain for "new and different" here. For the most part new works well. I "took that gamble" 3 times and it's worked out well. 2010 Taurus SHO (new Ecoboost 3.5 and 6F55 @ 130k runs great with minimal maintenance), 2011 F150 with the EB 3.5 (94k and runs great, only issue was the condensation and it does like plugs every 40k), and 2018 Mustang GT, while too early to tell (7500 mi) it should be fine as well. Some designs have issues but as a whole it's not the dire stuff many around here paint it as.


Lets see "new and different", first US liner less aluminum block in the Chevy Vega ...


That was quite a different design and process than the plasma spray liner used in the Ford Coyote. The Vega actually had the aluminum impregnated with high levels of silicon ... no actual physical liner layer was added to the top surface of the aluminum like in the Coyote.

Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: ZeeOSix] #5032875 03/05/19 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
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But now at 1 quart per 3000 miles they will replace the long block.


I'm really surprised it isn't the usual "1 qt or more per 1000 mile" standard that a lot of car companies use.

Ford will probably be changing out quite a few long blocks if going by the 1 qt per 3000 miles spec.


Exactly what I said, and you're right they'll be replacing a ton of them. I wonder if they're going to tweak those numbers.


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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: ka9mnx] #5032888 03/05/19 07:47 PM
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They won't be doing many of these block changes. 1 quart in 3k miles is A LOT!

Yep

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Originally Posted by itguy08
We don't know what the issue is - could be rings, piston clearance, liner, any # of issues. It's probably cheaper for the mfg to ship a long block than have a tech replace pistons, rings, etc to maybe fix the issue. They can replace the long block and be done with it and send it to the factory where it can be machined and put back together properly.

PWTA liners are not new - they have been used on the GT-R, GT350, and other high performance vehicles. It's not new but most likely this is one of the few high volume applications. We don't know if it's a lining issue or any one of the other things that cause oil consumption.

It's interesting reading the responses and general disdain for "new and different" here. For the most part new works well. I "took that gamble" 3 times and it's worked out well. 2010 Taurus SHO (new Ecoboost 3.5 and 6F55 @ 130k runs great with minimal maintenance), 2011 F150 with the EB 3.5 (94k and runs great, only issue was the condensation and it does like plugs every 40k), and 2018 Mustang GT, while too early to tell (7500 mi) it should be fine as well. Some designs have issues but as a whole it's not the dire stuff many around here paint it as.


Lets see "new and different", first US liner less aluminum block in the Chevy Vega ...


That was quite a different design and process than the plasma spray liner used in the Ford Coyote. The Vega actually had the aluminum impregnated with high levels of silicon ... no actual physical liner layer was added to the top surface of the aluminum like in the Coyote.


I said first US liner less aluminum block, I am quite aware how the cylinders were on a Vega we changed enough of them for torn up walls.

Edit: Guess who did the rebuilds for Chevy? Ford Parts Rebuilders. They installed iron liners and that cured that issue.
It didn't help much with the cast iron heads cracking though,

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Re: Ford replacing F150 5.0's due to oil consumption [Re: ZeeOSix] #5032984 03/05/19 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
That was quite a different design and process than the plasma spray liner used in the Ford Coyote. The Vega actually had the aluminum impregnated with high levels of silicon ... no actual physical liner layer was added to the top surface of the aluminum like in the Coyote.


PTWA has been used in numerous industries to provide a finished surface for years. It's been used in turbines and other areas where a precision wear surface is needed.

Not sure who else is using it as Ford may well be the only one with this volume but it's usage is or will be growing and is rebuildable:
PTWA Explained
PTWA for rebuilds

We don't know if that is even the reason for the oil consumption.

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