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2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles #5032652 03/05/19 05:28 PM
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This is the longest OCI I've ever done on any of my cars (it is what it is), and it certainly hasn't left me with that warm, fuzzy feeling I've heard so much about. I know what Blackstone said about not worrying about the elevated metal numbers, but...I am.

I'm all to familiar with the issues surrounding Ecoboost engines and long oil changes, but this was only 4,500 miles! The OLM was still at 55% for pete's sake. Between the iron, viscosity, and fuel dilution numbers, I'm backing down to 4,000 miles on this current fill. I do plan to continue using QS Full Synthetic in order to eliminate variables.

Please, those that are more knowledgeable, give me your thoughts and suggestions.

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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032662 03/05/19 05:35 PM
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What elevated wear? Your iron and aluminum numbers are roughly half the universal average with 2/3 the miles of the average sample. So your engine is wearing more favorably than the average 3.5 EB. I see no evidence that suggests a need to reduce the interval. If anything I see evidence that 6,000-7,500 is easily achievable before your next sample based on your wear numbers compared to universal averages.


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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032676 03/05/19 05:52 PM
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Sorry, guys. I had trouble posting the correct report, so I think it will make a little more sense now. The original was the very first one done with only the 3K OCI. Mea culpa

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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032678 03/05/19 05:54 PM
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Looks pretty good especially considering the engine is newer. I see no issue with going further. I would step up to the Pennzoil platinum though which is a similar but more robust additive package.


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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032681 03/05/19 05:56 PM
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I'd give Castrol Magnatec 5w30 a whirl. I like QSUD but your application may not be the best vehicle for it. Magnatec for whatever reason seems to return excellent uoa reports in ecoboost engines.

Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032718 03/05/19 06:39 PM
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Best move here is to go with one of the latest LSPI-resistant, euro-spec thicker oils to counter the fuel dilution.
https://shell-livedocs.com/data/published/en/89db797b-d00c-4b95-8e28-cb5ffd24705f.pdf
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...w-40-reformulated-now-sn-no-more-ferrari
It's new "SN+" rating means it has been tested not to cause LSPI in Ford Ecoboost engines.
Extra viscosity here will fuel-dilute down to a 30 weight, resulting in a viscosity range Ford engineers would like this engine to be.
The Porsche A40 rating and Mercedes specs is a bonus.
Also, the new Corvette spec oil, Mobil1 ESP 0w40, is low enough in Ca to work well in this application too, another option.

As it is, you'd do OK, yet I would try for better by raising the performance of the oil here. Easy to do, an expensive vehicle deserves no less.

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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032723 03/05/19 06:43 PM
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"Nice engine and report."

You still want to worry. If you want to stop worrying then buy a Toyota and sleep better at night.


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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032744 03/05/19 06:57 PM
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Try Magnatec, Ecoboost engines seem to love the stuff and it's just as cheap as QSUD.


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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032750 03/05/19 07:01 PM
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You should try an oil with approx 33% less Calcium and approx 115% more Magnesium. That being Castrol Edge (black bottle).

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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: Leo99] #5032759 03/05/19 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Leo99
"Nice engine and report."

You still want to worry. If you want to stop worrying then buy a Toyota and sleep better at night.

Seriously...


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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032765 03/05/19 07:19 PM
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Triple, are you a space traveler? Because the only place I can see you came up with those numbers is from Uranus.

OP's report is perfectly fine; there would be no cause for concern if everyone would just remember: UOAs do NOT provide a reliable means of measuring engine wear! UOA is for two things: first, foremost, and almost exclusively- did the oil survive the usage and mileage while still having remaining TBN and did it stay in the correct viscosity grade; and second, provide a data point for trending IF the same oil was used previously.

If you keep playing Russian Roulette by changing oil brands on every OCI, you may as well just save the money spent on a UOA because there is literally almost nothing of value when one pulls these shenanigans. You wouldn't use an oxy-acetylene torch to solder 22 gauge wires, why are you trying to use a UOA to try to derive a conclusion from data it cannot provide? If you want to track actual wear, you'd need something like analytical ferrography and/or a filter debris analysis to give you much more insight into the wear that's going on. Problem is, these tests are way too expensive when compared to the cost of just replacing the oil on time, which is exactly what a UOA "should" be used for. NOT to chase a couple PPM here and there by changing oil brands!

Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032766 03/05/19 07:19 PM
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I would not lengthen the oci. I don't like that flashpoint I agree with one of the castrols or M1 esp 0w40.

Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032771 03/05/19 07:24 PM
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Thanks for the feedback so far, everyone. I should have mentioned this oil was the latest QS full synthetic formulation that is SN+ and has the revised FoMoCo spec for LSPI. The first run in the report which is the 3K OCI was their pre-LSPI oil.

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Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032781 03/05/19 07:32 PM
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If it weren't for most likely extended periods of idling (Ohio in winter), the flashpoint and dilution would not show any concern. Once flashpoint is above 380 and/or you stop letting the car warm up for a half hour before driving, there is nothing in the report that would stop you from going longer.

IMHO, either alter your warmup technique in the winter, or keep the OCI to around 4.5k; once spring/summer rolls around try taking the OCI out to the OLM limit and re-run the UOA so you can see what a warm-weather test of the oil shows. You're driving roughly 15k per year; getting fuel dilution down can mean the difference of cutting out an extra oil change per year with no increase in risk to the vehicle.

Re: 2016 Taurus SHO w/ 3.5L Ecoboost QS FS 5w-30 4,565 miles [Re: ZiTS] #5032915 03/05/19 08:55 PM
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Subie,

Very much appreciate your insight. Agree 100% with your comments about sticking with the same oil in order to be able to really learn anything from the reports. That's why I want to resist jumping on the Castrol Magnatec bandwagon right now. And you are right about the Ohio winter warm-ups likely having played a role. However, though I do use the remote-start feature like clockwork in the winter, it's never for longer then 1 or 2 minutes, at most. I think the bigger issue is (and always has been for me) that I live < 4 miles from work. The winter and remote start certainly just compound the fuel issues.

What concerned me the most from the report is that even though there were only an additional 1,500 miles on this OCI from the previous one, the iron more than doubled. To me, being a fanatic with my cars, that just doesn't sit well.

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