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Boeing 767 crash near Houston, TX #5021887 02/24/19 07:49 AM
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Boeing 767 crash near Houston, TX frown

I wonder what happened ?


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Re: Boeing 767 crash near Houston, TX [Re: Mr Nice] #5021894 02/24/19 07:59 AM
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My employer lost a cargo jet because of a lithium ion battery 5 years ago.


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https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/24/us/texas-atlas-air-cargo-jet-crash-sunday/index.html

Nosedived from 6700’? Strikes me as strange.

First thought was that it ran out of fuel - there’s been no mention of fire (crashed into 5’ of water). But it wouldn’t have “nosedived”.

There’s also the press’s ignorance of aviation and their need to sensationalize and use such terms when they may not be accurate.

Pilot murder-suicide?


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Re: Boeing 767 crash near Houston, TX [Re: Mr Nice] #5021910 02/24/19 08:15 AM
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Two crew and a jumpseater.

Word on the street is that the jumpseater was scheduled to start his career at United next month.

A tragedy all around. Cargo flying is statistically more risky than passenger. Back side of the clock, two person crews, hazardous cargo, it all adds up...


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Re: Boeing 767 crash near Houston, TX [Re: Mr Nice] #5021911 02/24/19 08:15 AM
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To me, the sudden loss of contact and large debris field for an aircraft at 6,000 ft suggests some form of in-flight breakup or separation of a control surface. Of course it’s speculation and true analysis will occur.

Even with the UPS Dubai 747 crash from a lithium battery fire, the crew was able to declare an emergency.


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Originally Posted by john_pifer
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/24/us/texas-atlas-air-cargo-jet-crash-sunday/index.html

Nosedived from 6700’? Strikes me as strange.

First thought was that it ran out of fuel - there’s been no mention of fire (crashed into 5’ of water). But it wouldn’t have “nosedived”.

There’s also the press’s ignorance of aviation and their need to sensationalize and use such terms when they may not be accurate.

Pilot murder-suicide?


I'm going to go with "no way" on that speculation.

Nose-dived may, or may not be true...witnesses in aviation mishaps are 90% unreliable. It's astonishing how many people see things that didn't happen. They really don't know what they're looking at, and the mind has s funny way of "filling in the gaps" to create a completely unreliable source...

Typically, a loss of control of a cargo airplane, or a steep descent, is more likely the result of shifted cargo, on board fire, or simple mechanical failure...


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Re: Boeing 767 crash near Houston, TX [Re: Mr Nice] #5021916 02/24/19 08:19 AM
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From the movie Cast Away. To be fair, let’s see see what the black box says. My condolences to the families. This pilot may be a hero.

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My brother is a Captain with Atlas Air , I called him when the story broke . I thank God he answered the phone . He usually flys the 747 freight liner . But you never know if he has to fill in n for someone or is sitting in the jump seat to get to another airport

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Re: Boeing 767 crash near Houston, TX [Re: Mr Nice] #5021922 02/24/19 08:30 AM
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Whatever the cause it happened very suddenly. There was no mayday call or any communication that indicated a problem.

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Re: Boeing 767 crash near Houston, TX [Re: Mr Nice] #5021948 02/24/19 09:01 AM
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The term "nose-dive" is not in the text or the video of the ABC report. It is reported that "a witness said the plane hit the water nose first(*)" which is likely the exact words by the witness, not the reporter.

(*) the "nose" of course is usually the first part of any vehicle to crash into anything, making it very very slightly safer to choose a seat nearer the back of an airplane.

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Originally Posted by Astro14
......Typically, a loss of control of a cargo airplane, or a steep descent, is more likely the result of shifted cargo, on board fire, or simple mechanical failure...


This immediately comes to mind.



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The loss of a commercial plane is a loss of an important asset. The people. the plane , the work it does and provide.


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Originally Posted by billt460
[quote=Astro14]......Typically, a loss of control of a cargo airplane, or a steep descent, is more likely the result of shifted cargo, on board fire, or simple mechanical failure...


This immediately comes to mind


Sadly It seems to be usually heavy cargo shift on takeoff that gets these cargo planes. It doesnt take much and takeoff is the one time in the flight that the aircraft tends to nose up more than just slightly. I knew a guy one that got killed in a Lancair high performance homebuilt. They say he left An airshow and did a zoom climb and a big pile of brochures fumbled way back into the rear of the cockpit pinning it into a hammerhead stall that was unrecoverable. Nothing but a big stack of paper killed him. It doesn’t take much with aircraft to kill you with a sudden change in center of gravity.

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Originally Posted by mk378
The term "nose-dive" is not in the text or the video of the ABC report. It is reported that "a witness said the plane hit the water nose first(*)" which is likely the exact words by the witness, not the reporter.

(*) the "nose" of course is usually the first part of any vehicle to crash into anything, making it very very slightly safer to choose a seat nearer the back of an airplane.


That CNN article I posted said “nose-dived”. But, as I said, the media tends to try to sensationalize/generate attention. And that organization in particular...


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This guy is a 777 pilot. Talks about what is known about the crash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwki7Qutoas


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