Who is censoring me? public wifi

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Originally Posted by Vern_in_IL
I do not patronage Corporations that attack the First Amendment, or promote Fake News.


How, exactly, is Wendy's doing either of these things?

The confusion over what the first amendment means and grants to you versus what this is is are two very different things. Congress is not abridging your freedoms here, period.

You want to view whatever you want, use your own internet connection. Beyond that, their house, their rules. Kind of like this website.. No RSP. Owners choice.
 
Originally Posted by Nick1994
Glad to hear Wendy's filters out hate groups from their WiFi.

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Exactly. If Wendy's were trying to get such groups silenced so that no one could see them, that would be more of a 1A issue. By simply saying we won't provide you with an internet connection that allows you to watch, that's about as far away from violating 1A as there is.

Originally Posted by MNgopher
Originally Posted by Vern_in_IL
I do not patronage Corporations that attack the First Amendment, or promote Fake News.


How, exactly, is Wendy's doing either of these things?

The confusion over what the first amendment means and grants to you versus what this is is are two very different things. Congress is not abridging your freedoms here, period.

You want to view whatever you want, use your own internet connection. Beyond that, their house, their rules. Kind of like this website.. No RSP. Owners choice.
 
if you think this is censorship, you have lived a sheltered life.

So you can't looks something up on wifi that you get as a free courtesy?
Use your own internet access if you don't like theirs.
Or use a VPN (oh wait, you did that, so there is no issue). they could block VPN access as well if they really wanted.
 
Originally Posted by Vern_in_IL
Ah, I did not know Youtube restricted mode uses a different domain, never used it, now that makes it would be super easy to DNS block for the end user. Yeah, I know you should always use a VPN on a public network, it's "downloadable easy" to see or middle man sniffing network traffic.

Since they running a youtube filter, next time I go back and see what Google does in the searches,. I do not patronage Corporations that attack the First Amendment, or promote Fake News.


Sounds like they're just using filtering software for whatever reason. As others said, it's their system, they can do whatever they want.

The first amendment applies to the government. Private companies aren't really bound by the first amendment. They can easily fire you for whatever you say or ask you to leave if you start saying crazy things in their establishment.

You can't say that corporations are attacking the first amendment when it doesn't apply to them.
 
Originally Posted by MNgopher
Censoring means they are restricting you from saying what you want.


Censorship is more than that, it's also controlling/restricting what you see.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor

: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable
Ie, censor the news

: to suppress or delete as objectionable
Ie, censor out indecent passages
 
Originally Posted by Nick1994
Glad to hear Wendy's filters out hate groups from their WiFi.


Post of the year.
 
Fair enough point on the definition of censorship.

That being said, as a private business, providing a "free" service, imposing its terms of service on said free service, they have a right to do so. Simple as that.

Don't like it, provide your own internet connection. One could easily sit in a Wendy's and watch whatever they want over a a cellular connection provided at your own cost.
 
Originally Posted by MNgopher
Fair enough point on the definition of censorship.

That being said, as a private business, providing a "free" service, imposing its terms of service on said free service, they have a right to do so. Simple as that.

Don't like it, provide your own internet connection. One could easily sit in a Wendy's and watch whatever they want over a a cellular connection provided at your own cost.


I agree, just wanted to expand on the censorship concept.
 
Censorship? Ummm ... I think not.
Its Wendys internet connection, they can allow or not allow anything they want.

Actually, I am glad they do, do you want to be eating dinner while someone watches some crappy youtube or porn at a table near you?

Its their right, their connection.
I cant believe some of the stupid comments in here. Get your own connection instead of someone else's if you want unfiltered content.

Geez, someday, based on the comments in here, someday children will be suing their parents for censoring the internet connection! *L*
 
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RE: Censorship. If you only knew....

I will never forget the look of terror in my parents eyes when I mentioned something we listened couple days before at Radio Voice of America to a lady neighbor invited at the dinner table.
Luckily she was OK.
But then (as a 11 years old) I realized and put 2 and 2 together about the stories about people disappearing or getting in jail for "nothing".
This was happening in the 80's in a land far-far-away.

But still, some of the first-world problems...
 
I'll also add to this that it is unlikely that **Wendy's** decided of their own volition to disallow this, that and another site or search terms: I would wager my boots that Wendy's, like a whooooooooole lot of other online service providers, would subscribe to "block lists" curated - and way more importantly, maintained - by professionals. These lists can be integrated into DNS servers and updated periodically.
 
Originally Posted by alarmguy
Censorship? Ummm ... I think not.
Its Wendys internet connection, they can allow or not allow anything they want.


Anyone who is filtering content is in essence censoring material.
 
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by alarmguy
Censorship? Ummm ... I think not.
Its Wendys internet connection, they can allow or not allow anything they want.


Anyone who is filtering content is in essence censoring material.


Right, they're censoring, but they're not violating anyone's rights or violating the first amendment. Their system, their rules. There's actually one of those sign ups that you agree to when you first fire up their wifi. I suppose it's all disclosed there if anyone actually bothered to read it before agreeing to it.

It's the same thing on this board, some religion/politics get deleted/locked earlier than others.
 
^^^ Never said is was "violating" anything or anybody. Just clarifying what censorship is.
 
Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by alarmguy
Censorship? Ummm ... I think not.
Its Wendys internet connection, they can allow or not allow anything they want.


Anyone who is filtering content is in essence censoring material.


Right, they're censoring, but they're not violating anyone's rights or violating the first amendment. Their system, their rules. There's actually one of those sign ups that you agree to when you first fire up their wifi. I suppose it's all disclosed there if anyone actually bothered to read it before agreeing to it.

It's the same thing on this board, some religion/politics get deleted/locked earlier than others.


^^ Thank You ^^

Wendys is deciding what information can be carried over their internet connection to their customers.

I believe zerosix (and the OP) use of the word "censorship" is being used in the wrong spirit of the word, though factually correct.
NORMALLY when we speak of censorship we are talking about government censorship, blocking the flow of information or thoughts. Not individuals, companies and non government entities.

Same as a magazine or Walmart store deciding what magazines or newspapers will be carried or what sports programming will be carried in the local bar and grill or what library carries what books or magazines.

"Using the term to describe actions by private institutions and corporations is controversial[citation needed], as the word implies government intervention"

Using the term to describe actions ...he word implies government intervention.

>>Source Click ^^
 
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Originally Posted by alarmguy
I believe zeeosix (and the OP) use of the word "censorship" is being used in the wrong spirit of the word, though factually correct.
NORMALLY when we speak of censorship we are talking about government censorship, blocking the flow of information or thoughts. Not individuals, companies and non government entities.


Filtering material from being seen by other is absolutely a form of censorship, just like your example of a gov't blocking flow of information. It's really the same thing, and is not just limited to a gov't.

If you block certain TV channels on your TV from you kids from watching them, then you are censoring what they can see ("blocking the flow of information" - your words).

The definition of censorship mentions nothing about it as being only applicable to governments.
 
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by alarmguy
I believe zeeosix (and the OP) use of the word "censorship" is being used in the wrong spirit of the word, though factually correct.
NORMALLY when we speak of censorship we are talking about government censorship, blocking the flow of information or thoughts. Not individuals, companies and non government entities.


Filtering material from being seen by other is absolutely a form of censorship, just like your example of a gov't blocking flow of information. It's really the same thing, and is not just limited to a gov't.

If you block certain TV channels on your TV from you kids from watching them, then you are censoring what they can see ("blocking the flow of information" - your words).

The definition of censorship mentions nothing about it as being only applicable to governments.


Im sure by now you understand the topic of the OP, no further comment on my part needed. Its getting really silly now.

For the benefit of others late to this thread.

People think of censorship as government restricting access to information,

People do not think of companies or individuals or websites as censorship as you are free to go elsewhere. Only government can prevent you from going elsewhere.
Wendys or ANY other company or individual OR website can decide what information it wants to provide. Its their SERVICE.
 
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