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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: The_Eric] #4968610
01/03/19 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Eric
While I appreciate the input, I'm not looking for cleaning tips, tricks or preferred products. Just pros and cons of cleaning religiously vs not cleaning.


Why go to either extreme? Clean when you feel the weapon needs it. Or when accuracy starts to fall off to an unacceptable level in a long range weapon. You don't have to do anything "religiously", as opposed to not doing anything at all.

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Ask yourself why clean? it is like exfoliating your skin, do you do it everyday? every other day? or when your girlfriend points out the flaking dead skin laugh.

I am the sole member and president of "Dad's against cleaning barrel" club. So my 2 cents is not unbiased.

I shoot off hand, prone with/without sling. I only clean with a dry path mostly to make sure the barrel is unobstructed.

If you clean your gun, shoot some fouling shots to get dirty again.
Barrel breakin is like tire flush or blinker fluid, people are too emotional about this just like damage to crown and accuracy.

Bottom line, know your weapon, it will tell you when it needs to be cleaned,


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: The_Eric] #4968639
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If corrosive ammo , clean by that night .

It depends on the ammo , the climate & weather conditions , the weapon , etc.

I do not see a hard & fast / universal answer .

If you wish to be xautioue , clean every time you shoot it .


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: billt460] #4968687
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Originally Posted by billt460
Originally Posted by The_Eric
While I appreciate the input, I'm not looking for cleaning tips, tricks or preferred products. Just pros and cons of cleaning religiously vs not cleaning.


Why go to either extreme? Clean when you feel the weapon needs it. Or when accuracy starts to fall off to an unacceptable level in a long range weapon. You don't have to do anything "religiously", as opposed to not doing anything at all.


I can accept that type of answer. It seems like a good practical approach.

Do you ever run a lightly oiled patch through prior to storage or does the copper deposits (or lead) seal the steel well enough that rust isn't an issue?


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: The_Eric] #4968877
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Originally Posted by The_Eric
Do you ever run a lightly oiled patch through prior to storage or does the copper deposits (or lead) seal the steel well enough that rust isn't an issue?


Yes, I always finish with a well oiled patch down the bore.

Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: stockrex] #4968886
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Originally Posted by stockrex
Ask yourself why clean? it is like exfoliating your skin, do you do it everyday? every other day? or when your girlfriend points out the flaking dead skin laugh.


Ask yourself.....what do you do after you "relive" yourself on the toilet! Do you clean it every day? every other day? or when your girlfriend points out that you smell strange smile


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: billt460] #4969503
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Originally Posted by billt460
Originally Posted by The_Eric
While I appreciate the input, I'm not looking for cleaning tips, tricks or preferred products. Just pros and cons of cleaning religiously vs not cleaning.


Why go to either extreme? Clean when you feel the weapon needs it. Or when accuracy starts to fall off to an unacceptable level in a long range weapon. You don't have to do anything "religiously", as opposed to not doing anything at all.


IMO there’s a fine mix there. Cleaning “religiously” opens up the slight chance of damaging something, whether a muzzle crown, small bits of metal from cartridge manufacturing, etc. who knows. It also opens up the exposure to fairly strong chemicals in some cases.

I think your recommendation of bore tech, especially if a more religious cleaning outlook is considered, is prudent as I find their water based chemicals and their bearing rods to be the best I’ve encountered. It allows a more comfortable and safer cleaning experience, regardless of tempo.

Originally Posted by billt460
Originally Posted by The_Eric
Do you ever run a lightly oiled patch through prior to storage or does the copper deposits (or lead) seal the steel well enough that rust isn't an issue?


Yes, I always finish with a well oiled patch down the bore.


This I think is a more important and fundamental question. Oil over the junk left behind, if not doing a rigorous cleaning, or not? Oil is your friend, at least until it creates its own fouling or affects the first shots next time.

Ive personally thought about getting those Uber cheap bore snakes from Amazon, and using one as an oily post-shooting version, another (perhaps with the brush removed) as a cleaner before taking the first shot next time. This way you can scrub a little and leave some oil behind when done, and then dry it up next time. Sure beats getting out rods and jags and patches and taking the firearm apart just to run one patch... not there yet though...

Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: The_Eric] #4969671
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Originally Posted by The_Eric
What is the effect of the bullet lube on the barrel? Does it serve as a protectant?

Yes, but it is not a perfect protectant.

With clean burning powders and storing in low humidity, and a smooth, quality bore, 22LR shooters like pro competitor Lones Wigger could go years between cleaning.

On the other hand, if you have a 38 revolver that spits a bit and you're using up old powder, and store the gun in higher humidity, the suspended powder residue in the lube may transmit humidity to the bore and cause rust.

So the answer there is "depends".


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: The_Eric] #4991303
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I clean my range guns when they start to soil my clothing or start to malfunction from the crud. I'll oil them as needed. Scrubbing the barrel? only when the accuracy drops off.. We cause more wear scrubbing than shooting.


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: AZjeff] #5019615
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Nope. Just live close by and like our Kansas ties to CZ and Hoppes. Love any business that comes to Kansas.


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: The_Eric] #5019778
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Love the smell of Hoppes.

Reminds me of when I was young, and my uncle and cousins would clean their rifles on the kitchen table at our farm in PA...

I even bought my kid brother Hoppes air fresheners for his truck a few years ago.

He totally loved them. He's got the same memories...


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: The_Eric] #5019796
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I soak really fouled parts (when necessary). Heavily used AR bolt, for example. Soak overnight in Hoppe's/Kroil for example, then brush very clean. Same principle with a bore, of course overnight not necessary. I usually clean 4-5 guns at a time. So I start with a fairly wet mop off all the barrels and let it sit while I clean all the small parts. Often I will mop it again in the middle of cleaning the other parts, then just a lube blast, a couple dry patches and the barrel is quite clean.


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: Astro14] #5020041
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Originally Posted by Astro14
Love the smell of Hoppes.



Not sure what Hoppes solvent smells like today. But the Hoppes from 1950-2000 was terrible to smell.
There are really good products today that are non-toxic, non-smelling and safe on the hands & safe on the environment. Google search is your best friend for that.


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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5020139
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Astro14
Love the smell of Hoppes.



Not sure what Hoppes solvent smells like today. But the Hoppes from 1950-2000 was terrible to smell.
There are really good products today that are non-toxic, non-smelling and safe on the hands & safe on the environment. Google search is your best friend for that.


Sure there are.

On my bench are the following cleaning products:
- CLP (various, old and new Safariland formulations, not that great on bores, keep a bottle in my range bag)
- Ballistol (another CLP, smell is OK, doesn't work too well on bores, use it to wipe down firearms and axes)
- MPro7 Gun cleaner (not much smell, doesn't seem to work well on bores)
- AMSOIL Firearm Cleaner (love it. Great stuff. The solvent cleans reasonably well and leaves behind just enough oil to prevent rust).
- Sweets 7.62 (horrible ammonia smell, works well, but ugh)
- Hoppe's Elite Bore Gel (works OK)
- Hoppe's Foaming Bore Cleaner (works well, makes a mess)
- Butch's Bore Shine (mild smell, cleans great, probably my favorite)
- Hoppe's No.9

And I still like the smell of Hoppe's...

LOL

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Re: Barrel cleaning pros and cons [Re: The_Eric] #5020648
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Best all around gun lube/cleaner I've ever used is Corrosion-X for guns. The guy who formulated it is a member here and used to work for Mobil. He explained to me one time his goals for the formulation. The corrosion protection is simply the best out there and the anti-wear characteristics are also extremely good. I've used it on the hinge of my BT-99, which now has hundreds of rounds of trap under its belt. The hinge is still so tight that some people ask me if I ever considered putting some lube on it.

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