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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: NYEngineer] #5017594
02/20/19 12:24 PM
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ON, Canada eh?
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ON, Canada eh?

What are you Italian? LOL


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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017624
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The car alarm wouldn't help, but pretty much any basic car alarm would have some sort of starter disable feature. Also I don't know about the 98, but pretty much any newer car would probably have some sort of chip key system which makes them much harder to steal. Last few cars I haven't even bothered with any aftermarket anti-theft system, the factory systems have been fine.

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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017635
02/20/19 12:51 PM
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Understand. I grew up in the 60's and learned to drive on a 1964 "3 on the tree" (column shift) Ford Falcon as well as on various standard floor shift Ford customs and international trucks. Now, I no longer own anything with a standard trans and have not for several years now. Sold our old 82 standard F150 years ago. I have 3 kids, 2 sons now in late 20s and a daughter who just turned 21. My sons do not know how to drive a stick shift as I never owned a vehicle with a standard trans while they were growing up and they did not know anyone who had one.. My daughter has a few friends who live on a farm south of Lincoln and their dad has some trucks with standard trans so she learned (with considerable trial and error) how to drive a stick just last summer. She was able tolearn safely out in the country where traffic is minimal. She always looks forward to visiting her friends on the the farm and driving the stick shift trucks. Her main method of transportation is our 2010 Forester with 4speed auto trans. That is what she learned to drive on. It has been well over 2 decade since I last drove a standard transmission myself. The last standard trans I drove aside from the old F150, was an Army 5 ton and that was when my unit was turning them in for the 5ton M923 trucks with auto trans.I am old enough to have driven the Army Jeeps with standard trans,but those were replaced with HumVees and K5 chevy Blazers and pickups. Still get the urge to drive a stick from time to time,but am not going to buy one just for the experience.


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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017636
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The Club is worthless, a can of Dust-Off and a BFH or a hacksaw is enough to render them useless.

For a Civic, the best thing you can do is discourage theft - like pedal locks, kill switches and things of that sort. Don't bother with an alarm. Also, Honda never put a plastic shield over the door lock/latch mechanism in the earlier Civics and some guys made their own lock shields to prevent a slim jim from working(though no car is immune from a wedge and a tool to prod the lock switch or knob).

Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017640
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What do folks think of a gear lever lock, like what KrisZ posted?


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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: skyactiv] #5017642
02/20/19 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by skyactiv
All you do is use a hacksaw to cut the steering wheel, bend the cut rim and pop out the club.


No-takes too long. Back in the day they use to spray a refrigerate chemical on it (Freon?) to make it brittle then hit it with a hammer to break it. Takes seconds the way I understood it.

Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: BJD78] #5017677
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Originally Posted by BJD78
A standard transmission has proven to make stealing vehicles difficult for many car thieves. Most have never ever driven a manual transmission and have zero concept of shifting gears or using a clutch.

True, they call it the Millennial anti-theft device. wink


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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017700
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Starter/Fuel/Ignition cutoff at the main relay

Relocate the hood release cable


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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017705
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Replace fuel pump fuse with a busted one after you park her, and take the good fuse with you. Maybe hide a few below the spare or somewhere less likely to atttract a theifs attention in case you loose the one on you. Problem solved.

Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017715
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My daughter bought a 96 Acura (one of the Japanese cars, like your Civic, that are very easy to steal). It was parked in front of the house then stolen. Police found it the next day in a commercial parking lot.
I gave her a Club I had. Car was safe until she neglected to use it one night. Stolen again. Recovered within 2 days. Club used religiously after that with no problem.
Her car was stolen just for part of a day of transportation both times. Easy to steal, and low risk until it was reported the next morning.
The Club won't stop the theft of a high value car, but it will deter the opportunity thieves who will pop the door lock with a Slim Jim, then use a master key or a screwdriver on the ignition. Most of the older Toyota and Honda thefts fall into this category.

Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017719
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A hidden kill switch for ignition or fuel pump is probably one of the best things, they are reliable and fairly easy to install. As stated by others, visual deterrents such as the club steering wheel (or pedal) lock may provide just enough nuisance for the thief to move on. That is my hope anyway... along with choosing vehicle models that are not so desirable to thieves. (The C4 Corvette is the red-haired stepchild of sports cars, and who cares much about a 4-cylinder 2wd Tacoma anyway? I like them both and that is what matters.) Some people buy blinking LEDs that imitate alarm systems, that's cheap and easy too. Also park in well-lit areas, lock your doors, and say a :prayer:


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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017725
02/20/19 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by paulri
My Civic was stolen Monday; yesterday it was found by the police. Today, it sits at my mechanic shop.

I was told by the two cops I spoke to that the Civic is a very common and easy vehicle to steal. Neither cop seemed to think that car alarms would help prevent car theft.

What do folks here think of a steering wheel lock, like the Club? Would that deter anyone? I will try to get it repaired unless the damages are a few grand--but even if I get a new car, I think I will install it when it is parked at home, if not at work as well.

Depends on the version. The Civic, Accord, and Integra used to be among the most stolen cars in the US. That was at a time when Honda had a fairly basic key design where I heard it was possible to just jam something into the ignition hole and then turn it to start. My 1995 Integra GS-R was stolen at night. A couple of local police knocked on my door asking if I knew where my car was. Apparently they called (used the address on my registration) because it was seen driving suspiciously along with another car reported stolen at construction site that they were monitoring for theft of building materials. I was kind of depressed about it all day until I got a call from another police dept saying that my car had been recovered stripped. Took all the factory alloy wheels with high tread tires. Pulled out all the seats including the one with holes. Ripped out the instrument cluster and radio. Also took out the power steering pump for some reason even with 140k miles on it. And the kicker was that they took the cigarette lighter (never used but pushed in a few times) but left behind a $5 bill.

However, if you look at the rates for stolen cars, newer Civics and most Hondas are no longer on the top stolen car lists since they used RF keys. They're pretty difficult to defeat. The Civic and Accord are still on the most stolen car lists, but it's almost all 90s models before they started using the special keys. They are expensive to replace, but the system works. I've gotten the key copied with a standard blank. It will open the doors but I get weird stuff happening. The alarm goes off if I open the door/trunk and I don't use the RF key. I can start the car with the copy if I place the RF key near the steering column. I've heard of some people who damaged the mechanical part of the key and just used it with a copy and an original RF key on the keychain.

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https://www.carfax.com/blog/10-most-stolen-cars-2015
Notably, older Accord and Civic models were at greater risk. Of the 52,244 Accords stolen in 2015, 7,944 came from the 1996 model year. Meanwhile, the 1998 Civic accounted for 7,376 of all Honda Civic thefts. NICB notes that these models were built before anti-theft technology made cars much more difficult to steal.

There are also a lot of them out there. An IHS Automotive report indicates that the average vehicle is more than 11 years old, and there are 44,000,000 vehicles on the road that are between 16 and 24 years old. Much like the current best sellers, Civics and Accords from the 1990s were popular at the time, and these older models can be a target for thieves since their parts are in demand.

Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017747
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Originally Posted by paulri
My Civic was stolen Monday; yesterday it was found by the police. Today, it sits at my mechanic shop.

I was told by the two cops I spoke to that the Civic is a very common and easy vehicle to steal. Neither cop seemed to think that car alarms would help prevent car theft.

What do folks here think of a steering wheel lock, like the Club? Would that deter anyone? I will try to get it repaired unless the damages are a few grand--but even if I get a new car, I think I will install it when it is parked at home, if not at work as well.


Vehicles with a key with a chip are very difficult to steal. Cars with chip keys significantly reduced theft even for vehicles that were ones the thieves wanted.


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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017758
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If you are on a safari and a lion starts to chase your group, you do not need to be the fastest person in the group just as long as you are not the slowest. Similar with a car and thieves. Do enough so the thieves pick another car.

I have also read than many cars (or some at least) with push button start, the owners just leave the keyfob in the car as a matter of habit. Although I do not know how you could lock the car with the keyfob in the car. But that is what I read. These cars are now getting stolen.


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Re: The Club or anything else to prevent car theft [Re: paulri] #5017766
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A Honda Civic is stolen and stripped here every day.
Then dumped out in the desert. The steering wheel is very soft metal. Does not take much to defeat the club. As steviec said kill switches or pulling a certain fuse is better. Put a switch in line with the fuel pump relay or fuse?


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