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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: ringmaster] #5014755 02/18/19 05:23 AM
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M1 FS 0W-40 s a proven oil - a race proven oil, as discussed above.

Do you have a "stout" 10W-30 in mind, or is it imaginary? Even Redline's 10W-30 only has an HTHS of 3.5 and if you're going to spend the money on Redline, why would you not buy their 0W/5W-40?


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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: ringmaster] #5014848 02/18/19 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ringmaster


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Any recommendations would be appreciated.


Motul 8100 X-Cess 5W40 - for the street
Motul 300V 5W30 or 5W40 - for track (higher HTHS of 4.1)

But you will also be fine with M1 0W40

I remember back in the days when i worked for a race team, we used Motul 300V 15W50 on the Ferraris (360 and 355). Before the 12H endurance race, we would dump the 8L of used oil, put in 8L again, run the engine at iddle for 15 min, dump it again and than fill it and race.

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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: LeoStrop] #5014904 02/18/19 09:06 AM
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Any recommendations would be appreciated.


Motul 8100 X-Cess 5W40 - for the street
Motul 300V 5W30 or 5W40 - for track (higher HTHS of 4.1)

But you will also be fine with M1 0W40

I remember back in the days when i worked for a race team, we used Motul 300V 15W50 on the Ferraris (360 and 355). Before the 12H endurance race, we would dump the 8L of used oil, put in 8L again, run the engine at iddle for 15 min, dump it again and than fill it and race.


You believe the 8100 X-cess 5W-40 is better for this application than the Castrol or M1 0W-40 oils? Better base stock or less VIs or something else?

Wow your Ferrari team must have had a large oil budget! Was that procedure just to ensure the engine had spotlessly clean oil before the race?

Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: ringmaster] #5014950 02/18/19 09:36 AM
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Do you have access to Castrol 0W40? IMO it is better than M1 0W40 FS and pour point of Castrol 0W40 is -60c.


Yes but I am unclear as to whether or not there are multiple versions? The local vendors carry:

Castrol Edge Fluid Titanium Technology
0W-40 A3/B4 API SN/CF
Made in Germany




0W40 is Castrol's premium product.
Multiple version of Castrol are 5W40. European 5W40 is substantially different from Castrol Edge 5W40 Made in US.
Castrol 0W40 is same, as it is their top product.
Mobil1 was the one that confused everyone when they abandoned VISOM base for GTL, and IMO seriously watered down their product. Also, that ash level is ridiculously high as well as TBN, which IMO indicates long present M1 problem of TBN retention.


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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: ringmaster] #5015257 02/18/19 01:01 PM
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You believe the 8100 X-cess 5W-40 is better for this application than the Castrol or M1 0W-40 oils? Better base stock or less VIs or something else?


Hard to tell, both are great products. There are dozens of UOA and VOA of the Motul from the user GermanAutohaus here on BITOG if you want to analyze.

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Wow your Ferrari team must have had a large oil budget! Was that procedure just to ensure the engine had spotlessly clean oil before the race?



Yes, and also because i think that engine holds quite a bit of used oil. That was the recommendation from the italian engineer that "came with the car".


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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: madeej11] #5015488 02/18/19 04:17 PM
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10w30 can be had at 3.6.

Yes, but usually it's not, unless you're buying an HDEO.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: ringmaster] #5015531 02/18/19 04:53 PM
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Why not Red Line 5w-30 HTHS 3.7 - NOACK 6
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5w-40 HTHS 4.4 - NOACK 6


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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: harrydog] #5015611 02/18/19 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by harrydog
Why not Red Line 5w-30 HTHS 3.7 - NOACK 6
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5w-40 HTHS 4.4 - NOACK 6


You’re a little late to the party. OP chose M1 0W-40, which is a solid choice. Plus, with M1, you can change it 3x as often for the same price or cheaper.


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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5015901 02/18/19 11:56 PM
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You'd more or less have to change it 3x as often if you get the drift.

Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: rooflessVW] #5015904 02/19/19 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
M1 FS 0W-40 s a proven oil - a race proven oil, as discussed above.

Do you have a "stout" 10W-30 in mind, or is it imaginary? Even Redline's 10W-30 only has an HTHS of 3.5 and if you're going to spend the money on Redline, why would you not buy their 0W/5W-40?

Maybe Dominator 10w30 hths 3.6 might be suitable. Could be my friend Harvey the rabbit's suggestion...

Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5016662 02/19/19 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
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Why not Red Line 5w-30 HTHS 3.7 - NOACK 6
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5w-40 HTHS 4.4 - NOACK 6


You’re a little late to the party. OP chose M1 0W-40, which is a solid choice. Plus, with M1, you can change it 3x as often for the same price or cheaper.

It was more of a rhetorical question, but given the OP's original post I would think he would want something better than Mobil 1 0w-40. I know I would given his situation.
My search is for a robust oil to use during warm months on the street and track with 5k OCIs. The 0W cold start spec is less important to me but I want an oil with a decent HTHS that won't shear out of grade and since the S55 is a direct injection Turbo engine I believe that a low Noack % would be desirable to reduce carbon deposits.


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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: harrydog] #5016696 02/19/19 04:28 PM
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Why not Red Line 5w-30 HTHS 3.7 - NOACK 6
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5w-40 HTHS 4.4 - NOACK 6


You’re a little late to the party. OP chose M1 0W-40, which is a solid choice. Plus, with M1, you can change it 3x as often for the same price or cheaper.

It was more of a rhetorical question, but given the OP's original post I would think he would want something better than Mobil 1 0w-40. I know I would given his situation.
My search is for a robust oil to use during warm months on the street and track with 5k OCIs. The 0W cold start spec is less important to me but I want an oil with a decent HTHS that won't shear out of grade and since the S55 is a direct injection Turbo engine I believe that a low Noack % would be desirable to reduce carbon deposits.

Why you think Redline would be better than M1?


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Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: ringmaster] #5017401 02/20/19 09:13 AM
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I apologize in advance for prolonging this thread but I just came across a couple of oils that appear to be perfect for my street + track requirement. Can anyone comment on these as viable options?

"PAO (poly-alpha-olefin) based fully synthetic multigrade engine oil with USVO® Technology." "Due to the special mixture of synthetic, highly polar Group V base oils with a high proportion of high and low viscosity PAO, it could be formulated without the use of viscosity index improvers."

5W-30
HTHS 3.7
Noack 6.2
https://www.ravenol.de/en/products/usage/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-rep-sae-5w-30.html

5W-40
HTHS 3.9
Noack 6.0
https://www.ravenol.de/en/products/usage/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-rup-sae-5w-40.html

Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: ringmaster] #5017441 02/20/19 09:41 AM
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ringmaster, Ravenol oil looks great on paper. Good for your application at those HTHS numbers, no problem. Can be ordered at https://www.blauparts.com/ravenol_oils/ravenol_oils_fluids_toc.html or Amazon has some varieties too.
The Russian Oil Club has reported some weird behavior they think --- allegedly --- Ravenol is guilty of, as in batch quality control. Also, it appears Ravenol was caught putting in the wrong oil in a jug labelled to be another oil, on this bitog forum recently. So I don't know. Some reason to believe they might get sloppy. Emphasis, just suspicions right now. Can we trust them?

Re: BMW M4 (S55 twin turbo) Oil for summer/track? [Re: ringmaster] #5017491 02/20/19 10:14 AM
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LL04 (ACEA C3) technically are not approved by BMW for gas engines in the US. Either would be fine on a reduced (5k) change interval but that seems a little pricey.

Just a FYI the Ravenol American site states "tested" for LL04 but no formal approval whereas the german site states formal approval under LL04.

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