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Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: rainman49] #5009397
02/12/19 10:21 PM
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I would freshen up the pads like the Critic said and renew the brake fluid like Pelican said.
Others may disagree, but when I renew the brake fluid, especially on older vehicles, the pedal firms up.

Good luck.

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Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: Wolf359] #5009502
02/13/19 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by t1snwrbrdr12
I’ve always noticed that using akebono pads too. She’ll get used to it. I don’t especially like the minor loss of braking performance, but for the silent brake performance and lack of dust I can deal with it.


Noticed the same thing. Just slightly less braking performance than stock pads. I always thought the stock were a bit too grabby. Got used to it after a couple months and now I don't even notice it. Can't decide if I got used to it or if they got better after use. But I love how there's no dust. Factory always had the rims coated in black dust after a couple weeks. Stock wasn't noisy, just dusty.

I guess it's somewhat subjective given that Akebono is stock on a bunch of makes and models (especially imports).

Originally Posted by WyrTwister
Drive it & if it is safe , tell her she is welcome to pay to have it changed any way she wishes .

Instead of complaining , she should be thanking you .

If one drives like a sane person , you do not have to have brakes that stop in inches ( instead of feet ) . Sounds like the loose nut behind the steering wheel is ratteling around .

I agree with this even though the OP probably doesn't want to hear it. That level of braking is unnecessary, if there's some kind of anxiety associated with it maybe slow down? Akebonos are nowhere near inferior or poor performing.


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Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: FlyNavyP3] #5009538
02/13/19 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyNavyP3
I finally gave up on the Akebono pads and replaced them with Raybestos EHT3 pads on the same Raybestos Advanced Technology rotors the Akebono pads had been running on. Even with no bedding in process the Raybestos pads were superior from the very first stop. The Raybestos pads were friction code GG as compared to the FF of the Akebono pads. As the new pads wore in they got even better. This is exactly why these pads have been my go to friction material ever since.

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Hmmm, this is just my opinion and braking result. I have heard many here comment on how they like GG pads. I have had the exact opposite result with CoF GG pads. ATMOF, it's the GG pads in every single case that gave me the same results as the OPs daughter is getting on her Camry SE.

Now maybe the Raybestos EHT3 pads are different and I am certainly hearing good results from members here at Bob's.

I don't really care(sorta) what CoF the pads are, I just want OE type braking feel for the "normalness/everydayness of daily braking.
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rainman49,
How was the braking before you changed the Rear Brakes?
You mentioned that you had installed Akebono on the front and later, changed the rotors. Was all fine til the Rear change?
What did you use on the Rear?

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Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: rainman49] #5009543
02/13/19 06:52 AM
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I have used new pads on worn rotors but never used new rotors with worn pads.

It will take some time for the pads to mate to the rotor, to wear down the high spots for good pad contact.

Its possible to that with the pads you used, that you have better hot braking ( once the pads are worn in) and a bit less cold bite. She may be noticing less cold bite.

My Hyundai was like this, really touchy brakes cold on the factory pads.

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Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: spasm3] #5009568
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Originally Posted by spasm3
I have used new pads on worn rotors but never used new rotors with worn pads.


I've done both. I have changed rotors several time with the same pads. Rotors kept warping/pulsing every 18-24 months and the pads never seemed to wear. Then on other vehicles, I've changed pads several time due to wear while the rotors never gave me issues. All with good results!


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Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: rainman49] #5009573
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Sure this isn't mostly psychological? Tell someone you changed a part in their car and they think it drives different. Of course it drives different, the part is new and she is used to the old. Same thing happens when you get new tires, struts, shocks, etc. Doesn't mean it's bad.

Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: rainman49] #5009631
02/13/19 08:43 AM
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Wow. BITOG'ers complain when family members ignore obvious symptoms. Then someone complains about an ungrateful family member who actually does notice something.

It's her car. She noticed something. She said something. That's a good thing.


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Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: rainman49] #5009653
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I usually take special notice when my wife or daughter mention an issue with one of the cars because they typically don't nocite much until it's gone/broken. So, when they warn me early, I am there! This is also why I drive the vehicle kinda regularly so I can make an assessment of the vehicles health.

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Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: rainman49] #5009660
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Ha... your daughter is an anomaly. My wife will drive a car that shakes, squeels, and rattles with smoke coming out of it and once I drive it and comment, "how long has it been doing that?" she just says "doing what?".

Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: rainman49] #5009947
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Kevin, I've got the best (worst) of both worlds. This daughter is very sensitive to everything on her car. She had a very minor pulse in the front rotors, but it was driving her crazy, so I changed the rotors. The rear brakes were worn out. Replaced with Advance platinum painted rotors and Wearever Gold ceramic pads. On the front, I used the platinum rotors but the Akebonos were barely worn after installing them in 2018. I'm going to take it for a spin and rebed the pads when she gets home tomorrow and see how it feels. Now, my other daughter is just like your wife, Kevin, oblivious to everything except whether it starts and runs.


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Re: Clean Brake Rotors or not [Re: NoNameJoe] #5010041
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Originally Posted by NoNameJoe
Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by t1snwrbrdr12
I’ve always noticed that using akebono pads too. She’ll get used to it. I don’t especially like the minor loss of braking performance, but for the silent brake performance and lack of dust I can deal with it.


Noticed the same thing. Just slightly less braking performance than stock pads. I always thought the stock were a bit too grabby. Got used to it after a couple months and now I don't even notice it. Can't decide if I got used to it or if they got better after use. But I love how there's no dust. Factory always had the rims coated in black dust after a couple weeks. Stock wasn't noisy, just dusty.

I guess it's somewhat subjective given that Akebono is stock on a bunch of makes and models (especially imports).


They were not stock pads. I believe stock was some kind of semi metallic pad and Akebono were ceramic. They do make other kinds of pads for other applications, just that in this application, the ceramic pads were a little bit worse than stock pads.

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