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Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil brands? [Re: BeamerDude] #1671171
11/14/09 06:46 PM
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The question of all questions, but, answers are hard to find....Guess my choice of Mobil 1 for the past 15 years has been a good one....
Even my 750+ HP Z06 likes it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


2001 Z06 Forged Blown Stroked 650 RWHP 645 RWTQ
Vietnam Vet 5thSFGA
Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil bra [Re: ledslinger] #1671203
11/14/09 07:14 PM
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Airlie Beach Australia
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Hi,
ledslinger - My guess would be that your question requires a matrix of questions to provide a matrix of answers. IME short term high component temperatures (beyond 130C - 150C) will be handeled comfortably by almost any lubricant - and very well by most modern Grp 3 lubricants. It is longer term very high bulk lubricant temperatures that are typically most damaging to any lubricant


Regards
Doug
Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil bra [Re: bmwtechguy] #1671299
11/14/09 08:52 PM
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If you are looking for true synthetics on the retail shelf M1 0W40 is about the only one that is still nothing lower then G-IV and V base stocks including Alky Napthens which are G-V. Last I knew M1 0W40 was made from 4 different synthetic base stocks but all of them where G-IV or higher no G-III at all. I would imagine that their 0W20 is more of the same all synthetic in the truest sense.

Amsoil has products that are G-III and they have some that are PAO and some that are PAO and other high quality base stocks like ester's.

So if you want it on a retail shelf you are very very limited as in 2 products from M1....I expect that most of their other products like their EP line are made from everything from G-III on up.

In a daily driver I would not be too concerned I mean I used PP and I know it is a mut with regaurd to base stocks can you say Heinz 57??? All that really matters in a daily driver is performance so good wear numbers ,cleanliness and the ability to stay in the sump a long long time! Most OTC synthetics cannot last long they have weak staying power. This has little to do with base stock and everything to do with additive package!

If you do not mind mail ordering your oil their a lot of oils that are PAO or Ester based with no G-III in them at all!

Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil bra [Re: bmwtechguy] #1671305
11/14/09 08:56 PM
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If you are looking for true synthetics on the retail shelf M1 0W40 is about the only one that is still nothing lower then G-IV and V base stocks including Alky Napthens which are G-V. Last I knew M1 0W40 was made from 4 different synthetic base stocks but all of them where G-IV or higher no G-III at all. I would imagine that their 0W20 is more of the same all synthetic in the truest sense.

Amsoil has products that are G-III and they have some that are PAO and some that are PAO and other high quality base stocks like ester's.

So if you want it on a retail shelf you are very very limited as in 2 products from M1....I expect that most of their other products like their EP line are made from everything from G-III on up.

In a daily driver I would not be too concerned I mean I used PP and I know it is a mut with regaurd to base stocks can you say Heinz 57??? All that really matters in a daily driver is performance so good wear numbers ,cleanliness and the ability to stay in the sump a long long time! Most OTC synthetics cannot last long they have weak staying power. This has little to do with base stock and everything to do with additive package!

If you do not mind mail ordering your oil their a lot of oils that are PAO or Ester based with no G-III in them at all!

Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil brands? [Re: BeamerDude] #5008523
02/12/19 06:26 AM
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I know this is an old thread but the information may still be relevant. The Grade IV motor oils are labeled "100% Synthetic" as opposed to the "Full Synthetic" Grade III/dino based oils. That's my understanding based on the research I've done. The sellers of these products may have other tricks up their collective sleeves so I will not claim absolute certainty about my claim. I would do further research on any product that I would actually buy.

Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil brands? [Re: BeamerDude] #5008612
02/12/19 09:17 AM
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This thread is nearly useless groups of base oils do not matter only performance matters.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil brands? [Re: BeamerDude] #5008728
02/12/19 11:39 AM
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ON, Canada eh?
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100% synthetic can still mean Group III because Group III hydrocracked oils are allowed to be called synthetic so they are essentially saying it's 100% group III or higher so that doesn't mean anything either.

Not that basestock matters. All basestocks from III and up have their advantages and disadvantages and it's picking the right one in the right weights with the right additives that make an oil perform not the basestock alone. It's not the 1970's any longer.


'18 Caravan - 30k KM - AMSOIL SS 0w20, Fram Ultra, TC-W3 500:1
'06 Santa Fe - 535k KM (Retired)

There is no such thing as "lifetime" fluids! mad
Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil brands? [Re: BeamerDude] #5008735
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This Akido poster is new and is just resurrecting old threads.

I suspect a new fly has come in to join the others.


Cannot see signatures any longer so it doesn’t matter.
Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil brands? [Re: BeamerDude] #5008756
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Some of us have vehicles stuck in a time warp Stevie Coffee2


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Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil brands? [Re: ofelas] #5008769
02/12/19 12:10 PM
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ON, Canada eh?
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Originally Posted by ofelas
Some of us have vehicles stuck in a time warp Stevie Coffee2

Some of the members here seem to be as well... LOL (Not aimed at you)


'18 Caravan - 30k KM - AMSOIL SS 0w20, Fram Ultra, TC-W3 500:1
'06 Santa Fe - 535k KM (Retired)

There is no such thing as "lifetime" fluids! mad
Re: Which are true(!) PAO (Class IV) Motor Oil brands? [Re: BeamerDude] #5008779
02/12/19 12:16 PM
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How about.. Joe Gibbs LS30?


06 Escalade 6.0L LQ9 AWD 167k M1 0w40
03 Maxima 3.5L POS 170k ST HM 10w30
05 Malibu Classic 109k Unk
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