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Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: y_p_w] #5005847
02/09/19 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by y_p_w
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Found a whole ancient slashdot thread on it!

https://ask.slashdot.org/story/02/1...arddrives-been-failing-in-record-numbers

And yeah, looks like it was all drives in that family in 5,400RPM that shared the Cirrus Logic chip on the board.

That was a long, long time ago. Cirrus Logic exited that market around 2001, although I believe they still were dealing with liabilities well into about 2003. Western Digital sued them and lost.

A former coworker of mine worked in that division. Said it was a steady source of income for the company, but they had a new direction for the company where they wanted to go for higher profit margin businesses only. That was probably the last of their legacy businesses. By then they had moved their headquarters to Texas from Silicon Valley and were really concentrating on the businesses (mostly audio ICs) of their Crystal Semiconductor purchase. I used to work in Fremont, and I can't even recognize where the old Cirrus Logic buildings used to be. I think a few were torn down.


I recall Cirrus Logic quite well from when I was much, much younger. Their graphics cards for example. They were a big name in the "value" chipset segment, not unlike many other names from various (or multiple) segments that we don't see anymore: ALI, Trident, Hercules, High-Point, SiS...etc


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Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: StevieC] #5005893
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I had a Cirrus Logic video card that was 128km grin2

Then upgraded to a Trident 16-Bit ISA that could do 256 colours. Man was I rocking the graphics then. LOL


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Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: StevieC] #5005902
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In previous years of this data, people have always liked to trash Seagate, but most people failed to notice that WD's green drives of the time didn't show up on the chart more because they were so bad that Back Blaze stopped buying them.

Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: StevieC] #5005915
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My Seagate 80mb IDE in my 386 worked up until I threw it out some 20 years later. It was the drives in the last 15 years or so that have been an issue for me.


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Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: DejaVue] #5005942
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Originally Posted by DejaVue
In previous years of this data, people have always liked to trash Seagate, but most people failed to notice that WD's green drives of the time didn't show up on the chart more because they were so bad that Back Blaze stopped buying them.

All hard drive companies have had their failed designs. It just comes with the territory. But now there are basically 3 manufacturers left after consolidation.

However, I'm not sure how it's going to be with solid state technologies getting denser and cheaper. There are a lot of companies that are just buying NAND flash, essentially commodity SSD controllers, designing boards, and finding a contract manufacturer. There are literally dozens to hundreds of companies that could do this if they wanted because the cost of entry is low.

Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: DejaVue] #5005959
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Originally Posted by DejaVue
In previous years of this data, people have always liked to trash Seagate, but most people failed to notice that WD's green drives of the time didn't show up on the chart more because they were so bad that Back Blaze stopped buying them.


Sure, but some of that criticism (of Seagate) is warranted. Seagate is the only company other than the aforementioned Fujitsu fiasco, where I've had EVERY drive of a particular family poop the bed. The 7200.12 1TB drives were a disaster. I warrantied them, got back the refurbished "green label" versions, which defecated the bed in the same manner as the drives they replaced. Not only were the drives crap, but Seagate's dealings with the issue were equally horrid.


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Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: PandaBear] #5006363
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Originally Posted by PandaBear
Originally Posted by nthach
From what I've read, when Seagate bought out Conner, that's when they started to slide downhill. The irony was that Nils Conner was a former Seagate engineer, and their drive design was simple - the moving parts on a aluminum plate with a stamped steel cover that was cheaper to build.

Quantum from what I remember as a kid were all made in Japan by Panasonic(Matsushita back then).


Not exactly, 7200.7 was real good and way after Seagate bought Conner. I'm still using mine from 2003 on my daily rig.

I just took a 7200.7 40Gb out of service on an HMI rig that has run almost continually since it was made in 2004. I took it out because it was so full it couldn’t be defragged or have the cloning software installed on it without compressing a bunch of stuff.


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Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: jhellwig] #5007974
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Originally Posted by jhellwig

I just took a 7200.7 40Gb out of service on an HMI rig that has run almost continually since it was made in 2004. I took it out because it was so full it couldn’t be defragged or have the cloning software installed on it without compressing a bunch of stuff.

I remember those when I built computers, back then Seagate also offered a 5-year warranty and I happily used those Barracuda series drives with confidence. I think those were made around the time Seagate bought out Maxtor. The later Maxtor drives were rebadged Barracuda 7200.x series drives.

Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: StevieC] #5008427
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Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: StevieC] #5013073
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They make 12TB hard drives now!? My first computer had 1.2GB. I remember in college I thought my computer was awesome because it had a 30GB hard drive I never imagined I could fill. Thanks for sharing.


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Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: GMFan] #5013266
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Originally Posted by GMFan
They make 12TB hard drives now!? My first computer had 1.2GB. I remember in college I thought my computer was awesome because it had a 30GB hard drive I never imagined I could fill. Thanks for sharing.


My first PC had a 20MB hard drive LOL Before that, the C128 that my mom brought home from the school board didn't have a hard drive at all.


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Re: 2018 Hard Drive Reliability Study - Back Blaze [Re: StevieC] #5013400
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Mine was a 20mb RLL or MFM I can't remember... Then upgraded to a 40mb IDE then an 80mb IDE!


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