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2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped #5008038
02/11/19 02:59 PM
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Hi All,

My last UOA had a sudden spike in iron which seems to have dropped back off. Fuel is still high due to my wife's addiction to the remote start (it's been cold here). I also forgot to mention last time that she switched to 87 octane for the winter, which may not be burning completely?

Previous UOA HERE

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COMMENT: We're pleased to report a solid drop in iron this time around. Sure, the shorter oil change
interval probably helped with that a bit, but there's also been good improvement from a ppm/mile
standpoint, so steel wear really is better than before. Fuel dilution is really the only sticking point in this
report, and 3.0% is a fair amount of fuel. It didn't cause the viscosity to test below grade, though, nor did it
seem to bother the engine's wearing parts. Maybe it's just a fluke and will improve next time. The TBN is
strong, but we'd stay at about 5,000 miles to watch fuel.




MAKE/MODEL:	2017 Expedition	3.5L EcoBoost	

OIL		Edge 0w-40	Edge 0w-40	Ford 5w-20?	Ford Factory
MILES IN USE	4963		5500		5148			1338
MILES		16946		11983		6486			1338
SAMPLE TAKEN	1/6/2019	6/10/2018	9/24/2017	     4/14/17
				
ALUMINUM	5		6		7			15
CHROMIUM	1		2		1			1
IRON		32		59		22			27
COPPER		12		19		30			100
LEAD		0		2		0			1
TIN		0		0		0			0
MOLYBDENUM	60		6		26			70
NICKEL		1		1		0			0
MANGANESE	6		10		7			18
SILVER		0		0		0			0
TITANIUM	6		36		0			0
POTASSIUM	3		3		2			11
BORON		123		40		80			165
SILICON		16		22		32			261
SODIUM		6		6		9			9
CALCIUM		2764		2176		1895			1728
MAGNESIUM	15		12		9			9
PHOSPHORUS	849		790		704			640
ZINC		947		897		761			659
BARIUM		0		2		14			1
						
SUS VIS 210?F	60.9		59.1		54.8			49.6
cSt @ 212?F	10.47		9.96		8.70			7.14
FLASHPOINT F	325		350		375			355
Fuel%		3.0		1.8		<0.5			1.0
Antifreeze%	0.0		0.0		0.0			0
WATER%		0.0		0.0		0.0			0
INSOLUBLES	0.1		0.2		0.3			0.2
TBN		4.6		3.0		3.6			3.8

	


Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: 89Rustang] #5008049
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ON, Canada eh?
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Could have been something stuck in one of the bearings. It's still a relatively new engine so I wouldn't worry and certainly not at 59ppm.
This is why trending is important. Had you only had this one report with 59ppm it might be alarming.

I wouldn't trust the fuel numbers because they aren't actually measured but interpreted. (Looks like a Blackstone UOA judging by the comments)

Maybe send a sample to another lab for your next report to see the actual fuel numbers?
Colder weather will always be the worst because engines run richer in the colder weather.

Last edited by StevieC; 02/11/19 03:12 PM.

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Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: 89Rustang] #5008113
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Is the latest 0w40 a different formulation? I see a difference in Moly, Boron, and Calcium.


'15 Lexus RX350; ST 0w20/LG, 45K
'10 F150 5.4; M1 0w40/LG, 100K
'70 F100; Valvoline 15w40/LG

MMO in Fuel
Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: 89Rustang] #5008212
02/11/19 06:22 PM
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IMO blackstone's fuel is always low. might have been 5% or more.

Probably the remote starting contributed to that.


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Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: 89Rustang] #5008327
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The land of USA-made Subies!
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Those are pretty significant differences between the two "Castrol 0W40". OP, don't take this the wrong way, but did you personally do the oil change, with a sealed jug?

The big differences between moly & boron, the higher viscosity yet higher fuel dilution, the higher TBN yet higher fuel dilution.... they just don't seem to make sense.

But, your iron number is down significantly. That's always a good thing!

Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: 89Rustang] #5008336
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Originally Posted by 89Rustang
I also forgot to mention last time that she switched to 87 octane for the winter, which may not be burning completely?


No.

"Flashpoint" and "Reid Vapor pressure" determines how easily fuel burns in cold weather

"octane" doesn't have any effect whatsoever on how completely fuel burns.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: 89Rustang] #5008529
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Never seen this castrol edge 0w-40 formula

Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #5008633
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Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
Those are pretty significant differences between the two "Castrol 0W40". OP, don't take this the wrong way, but did you personally do the oil change, with a sealed jug?

The big differences between moly & boron, the higher viscosity yet higher fuel dilution, the higher TBN yet higher fuel dilution.... they just don't seem to make sense.

But, your iron number is down significantly. That's always a good thing!


Yes, I did it, but it may have been the old formula. I have a lot of stock but they are/were all sealed. Sorry for the confusion.

Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: Bjornviken] #5008637
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Originally Posted by Bjornviken
Never seen this castrol edge 0w-40 formula



Looks like I either mixed or used old stock as I did in my other vehicle, which you can see HERE

I only have Edge 0w-40 in my stock, all bought new/sealed.

Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: 89Rustang] #5008656
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Originally Posted by 89Rustang
Originally Posted by Bjornviken
Never seen this castrol edge 0w-40 formula



Looks like I either mixed or used old stock as I did in my other vehicle, which you can see HERE

I only have Edge 0w-40 in my stock, all bought new/sealed.


Is it some new version of the castrol? when it have moly and boron and very little TI. Or have i missed someting...

Re: 2017 Ford Expy 3.5L EB 5000mi Edge 0w40 Iron dropped [Re: Bjornviken] #5008657
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Originally Posted by Bjornviken
Originally Posted by 89Rustang
Originally Posted by Bjornviken
Never seen this castrol edge 0w-40 formula



Looks like I either mixed or used old stock as I did in my other vehicle, which you can see HERE

I only have Edge 0w-40 in my stock, all bought new/sealed.


Is it some new version of the castrol? when it have moly and boron and very little TI. Or have i missed someting...



it is either this stuff or the stuff I got at Wally's

Order detailsOrdered on August 18, 2018 (5 items)
Castrol 03101 EDGE 0W-40 A3/B4 Advanced Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5 quart, 1 pack
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Order detailsOrdered on August 18, 2017 (1 item)
Castrol 03101 EDGE 0W-40 A3/B4 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5 quart, 1 pack
Castrol
Sold by: Amazon.com LLC

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Castrol 03101 EDGE 0W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil - 5 Quart
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