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2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions #5006346
02/09/19 10:51 PM
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Hi all,

I just bought a new v-strom and was wondering

1. if Valvoline 4 stroke full synthetic would work for it? Link here for oil I would like to purchase.
Or would CASTROL POWER 1 4T 10W-40 work better?

2. Is there a cheaper oil for the vstrom?

3. Can I replace my own oil and not void my 1 year warranty? I paid on my last bike and the dealership charged me $150 just for the oil change...




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Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: fujirio] #5006364
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On every Japanese bike I've owned, I've done all my own servicing. I never had any problem with warranty concerns. Other than a Honda that had several issues which were common to the model, which Honda refused to acknowledge were an issue. Lots of complaints about that on websites specific to that bike. Even then, the fact that I did my own servicing never came up.

On the other hand, I know a guy that did his own services on his BMW, but had an unrelated supposedly warrantied issue. He had documented everything with receipts pictures, video, and detailed descriptions. The binder he put together could have been used as a factory service manual, it was so detailed. He was denied warranty coverage by BMW.

If I were in your place, and since you're concerned, I'd probably buy the recommended oil from your Suzuki Dealer while still under warranty, so there's no question you used the recommended oil.

But the V-Strom has been a very reliable bike, so I doubt you'll have any issues.

Congrats on the bike.

Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: fujirio] #5006366
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Either of those oils will be fine. As long as it meets the requirements, it's all good.

And you meant 2 years warranty, right?


MY16 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.2 diesel, 57,000km - Castrol 5w30
2006 Ford Falcon 4.0, 140,000km - Valvoline Engine Armour 15w40, Ryco filter
Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: hpb] #5006370
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Most Japanese bikes have a 1 year warranty in the USA. There are a few exceptions such as the Goldwing which is 3 years.

Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: fujirio] #5006372
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Any modern 10W-40 that meets JASO-MA will be fine in that bike.

I ran a 1999 Suzuki VZ800 Marauder for 83,000 miles on the cheapest 15W-40 I could buy.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: 02SE] #5006413
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Originally Posted by 02SE
Most Japanese bikes have a 1 year warranty in the USA. There are a few exceptions such as the Goldwing which is 3 years.


I knew that was the case in the US a few years back, didn't realise it was still that way. All the Japanese stuff is 2 years unlimited mileage here, same with Ducati, KTM, Guzzi, and I think Harley... BMW has recently increased theirs to 3 years/unlimited.


MY16 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.2 diesel, 57,000km - Castrol 5w30
2006 Ford Falcon 4.0, 140,000km - Valvoline Engine Armour 15w40, Ryco filter
Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: hpb] #5006526
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Originally Posted by hpb
Either of those oils will be fine. As long as it meets the requirements, it's all good.

And you meant 2 years warranty, right?


Thank you for the help. I wish it was two years. I just traded in my rebel 500 and that one also had only one year warranty. It surprises me because I know other countries get more than a year.

Originally Posted by 02SE
On every Japanese bike I've owned, I've done all my own servicing. I never had any problem with warranty concerns. Other than a Honda that had several issues which were common to the model, which Honda refused to acknowledge were an issue. Lots of complaints about that on websites specific to that bike. Even then, the fact that I did my own servicing never came up.

On the other hand, I know a guy that did his own services on his BMW, but had an unrelated supposedly warrantied issue. He had documented everything with receipts pictures, video, and detailed descriptions. The binder he put together could have been used as a factory service manual, it was so detailed. He was denied warranty coverage by BMW.

If I were in your place, and since you're concerned, I'd probably buy the recommended oil from your Suzuki Dealer while still under warranty, so there's no question you used the recommended oil.

But the V-Strom has been a very reliable bike, so I doubt you'll have any issues.

Congrats on the bike.



Thank you for the help. I always loved working on my own bike but on my rebel I was skeptical and paid the $150. The issue was they put the wrong oil and that kind of upset me. Trying to avoid going to them this time around. Do you think I should change the oil pan bolt as well?

Originally Posted by 02SE
Most Japanese bikes have a 1 year warranty in the USA. There are a few exceptions such as the Goldwing which is 3 years.


Wow 3 years is impressive. Do you ride a gold wing?

Originally Posted by Linctex
Any modern 10W-40 that meets JASO-MA will be fine in that bike.

I ran a 1999 Suzuki VZ800 Marauder for 83,000 miles on the cheapest 15W-40 I could buy.


So will car oils work?

Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: fujirio] #5006565
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Originally Posted by fujirio
Originally Posted by Linctex
Any modern 10W-40 that meets JASO-MA will be fine in that bike.

I ran a 1999 Suzuki VZ800 Marauder for 83,000 miles on the cheapest 15W-40 I could buy.


So will car oils work?



There are no car oils that I'm aware of that meet JASO MA. If it says "energy conserving" on the back of the bottle, then do NOT use it.

Shell Rotella 15W40 self certifies and says that they would meet JASO MA, although the lube isnt actually certified. Its cheap. Its the only 15W40 oil with JASO MA listed on the back of the bottle.

Valvoline motorcycle 10W40 is cheap at Walmart, and meets the spec. On a new bike, me personally, I would run conventional oil in it for the first year for break in purposes.


17 Chrysler Pacifica Edge Syn 5W30
13 Yamaha XT250 Valv MC 10W40
10 Acura TSX 2.4 SuperTech Syn 5W20
06 GMC Sierra SuperTech 10W30


Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: fujirio] #5006583
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The engine design in your bike has been around for at least two decades of reliable service. Valvoline 4-stroke motorcycle oil would be fine, or the Suzuki oil from the dealer if you are concerned. I'd run the OEM filter, but that's just my practice. Never been a fan of Castrol bike oil so I can't speak to it.
Congrats on the new bike.


My weakness is I love all motorcycles regardless of brand
2017 Wide Glide
2016 Suzuki DR650
2015 Road Glide
2007 Yamaha FZ1
1978 Suzuki GS1000 (now 1085)
Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: fujirio] #5006800
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Suzuki has an odd dimension filter so no larger auto filter available.
Fram makes a filter IIRC, but using the factory filter is your best option for now.


My 2¢


There's no such thing as:
Too big of a battery,
Too large of a gas tank,
or too loud of a horn,
or too bright headlights.
Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: fujirio] #5006824
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Originally Posted by fujirio




Thank you for the help. I always loved working on my own bike but on my rebel I was skeptical and paid the $150. The issue was they put the wrong oil and that kind of upset me. Trying to avoid going to them this time around. Do you think I should change the oil pan bolt as well?


I should have mentioned that either oil you're considering using, would be fine too. Not trusting others to work on my bikes, is why I've always done my own work. But I also used to work as a Mechanic for a living.

I wouldn't change the oil pan bolt, but I would use a new oil pan drain bolt gasket, which is a crush washer. If the torque spec for the oil pan drain bolt is the same as every other Suzuki I've owned, the spec is 16.5 lb-ft. But confirm that for your bike.

Originally Posted by 02SE
Most Japanese bikes have a 1 year warranty in the USA. There are a few exceptions such as the Goldwing which is 3 years.


Originally Posted by fujirio
Wow 3 years is impressive. Do you ride a gold wing?




No, I've never owned a Goldwing, but I've ridden a few. Maybe someday. For now I'm still more interested in performance.

I currently have a highly modified Suzuki Hayabusa, modified BMW S1000RR, Ducati Panigale V4 Speciale, and KTM 550 MXC and Honda CR250 dirtbikes.

Also, even though the standard warranty for most makes and models of Japanese bikes is 1 year, I believe all the Japanese manufacturers still offer extra cost extended warranties.



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Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: 02SE] #5006847
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Originally Posted by 02SE
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On the other hand, I know a guy that did his own services on his BMW, but had an unrelated supposedly warrantied issue. He had documented everything with receipts pictures, video, and detailed descriptions. The binder he put together could have been used as a factory service manual, it was so detailed. He was denied warranty coverage by BMW.

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But the V-Strom has been a very reliable bike, so I doubt you'll have any issues.

Congrats on the bike.



A simple call to the state attorney generals office and mention of the monroe law (if in the USA) and if necessary the US attorney general and this would get taken care of right away.

Don't warn BMW them in advance. Just hammer them

Rod

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Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: ragtoplvr] #5006943
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We're having a weather delay here, so more time to waste on Bitog. smile

Anyway, I know he fought it, I don't exactly what lengths he went to in that effort, but suffice it to say he got rid of his R1200GS, and ironically bought a V-Strom.

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I bought a new Vstrom DL1000 in 2008 and used Rotella T5 in it for years. I used a Wix filter but can’t remember the part number. Never had a problem and it ran like new when I sold it. Bullet proof bikes but I do remember valve adjustments were a pita!

Re: 2018 v-strom DL1000A\XA oil questions [Re: fujirio] #5008536
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Both Valvoline and Castrol are good choices. Buy on price. I tend to favor Valvoline for what ever reason I am not sure. :o)
I never tried the Castrol, always wanted too, but I always had good UOAs on my 2 metric bike with Valvoline. I also liked the Valvoline for its strong clutch engagement, it may feel a little grabby at first, guess it depends on the bike.

Your warranty is not affected by changing your own oil, you should keep receipts with mileage that you changed written on them. Not a big deal though.


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