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Honda transmissions made in India? #5008123
02/11/19 04:37 PM
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I've been looking at a new Civic SI. Seems like it's got a good balance of performance, features, and price. However, a lot of new stickers always point out where the engine/transmission are made as well as the final assembly point.

This one seems to be recent as every single factory sticker I've seen for this say the transmission is made in India. Final assembly point may be Canada or the US for US versions, but it looks like this 6-speed manual transmission is only made in India. I suppose we've been hesitant around here to trust complex mechanical items made in India, but I would think Honda wouldn't be using them in US spec vehicles unless they were ready for it. I'm guessing it may also be a consolidation since they sell very few manual transmission cars in the US now.

I have seen the Civic Type R, no dealer is willing to give a test drive, and most are asking for $10K over sticker although talking to some sales they'll probably back off but still charge over sticker. But the final assembly is in England with the transmission from Japan or the US.

Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: y_p_w] #5008153
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India probably sell the most manual compact, so that make sense to build there. They probably have the most experience because of that too.


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Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: y_p_w] #5008163
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I would not want a Type R as my only vehicle. Great car, but the Si is better to live with.
I started out my mechanic career at a Honda dealer. Si, not SI btw.

Few people are as cool as my wife and want something new with a stick in the USA.
The Type R is like the old Prelude 4WS. Honda knew few people actually wanted to pony up the money for one so Honda only made X many.
The dealers were only allotted 1 or 2 for the model year and most dealers got more then sticker.


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
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Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: y_p_w] #5008180
02/11/19 05:43 PM
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Its amazing how far Honda quality has dropped off during the last 10 years or so. Honda built themselves up a great reputation in the past , now they presume their nameplate alone is enough. Not so. Kia, Hyundai, Ford and Chevy top the last. Honda is near the BOTTOM!

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2018-us-initial-quality-study-iqs

Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: skyactiv] #5008195
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Originally Posted by skyactiv
I would not want a Type R as my only vehicle. Great car, but the Si is better to live with.
I started out my mechanic career at a Honda dealer. Si, not SI btw.

Few people are as cool as my wife and want something new with a stick in the USA.
The Type R is like the old Prelude 4WS. Honda knew few people actually wanted to pony up the money for one so Honda only made X many.
The dealers were only allotted 1 or 2 for the model year and most dealers got more then sticker.

Yeah - I know it's Si. It was some sort of autocorrect or maybe my finger didn't get off the shift key.

I've actually seen it at two or three Honda dealers in the showroom. None seem to care about fingerprints, but not a single one had the doors unlocked. All had a supplemental sticker saying $10,000 over MSRP but one sales guy said they would probably charge far less than that. Kind of surprised they weren't sold, but I'm guessing paying $47,000 for a Civic might even be too much. They all said that for whatever premium they were selling them for, there was no ways they would put any more miles on it than they had to.

I walked into a Honda dealer that had several Si models outside with the doors unlocked. I guess they could see them if anyone tried to do anything to them.

The thing about my WRX is that it hasn't necessarily aged all that well, even though it's still plenty fun to drive. The fuel economy has gone down (wasn't great to begin with) and how often am I really going to need AWD? I guess it was pretty nice when I needed to drive in light snow or the hail I saw last week, but my wife met me in her car and managed to get there.

Also - my 8 year old is asking me to get the Si. Wants to learn how to drive a stick on one too. A few months back there was no way.

Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: y_p_w] #5008207
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The Honda Civic Is is a really nice looking car and built to last. Buy with confidence and post pictures. Don't believe some of these naysayers. Honda's are still
more dependable than my Corvette and Jeep. The Ford is pretty bulletproof so far. I am not brand loyal at all but have had my best luck with Toyota's and Honda's.


2005 Chevrolet Corvette
2014 Ford F-150 4x4 supercrew
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (wifes)
2012 Honda Civic 4 door (my daily driver)
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Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: joekingcorvette] #5008211
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Originally Posted by joekingcorvette
The Honda Civic Is is a really nice looking car and built to last. Buy with confidence and post pictures. Don't believe some of these naysayers. Honda's are still
more dependable than my Corvette and Jeep. The Ford is pretty bulletproof so far. I am not brand loyal at all but have had my best luck with Toyota's and Honda's.



Is JD Power the "naysayer"?

AFAIK, JD Power is THE automotive quality authority.

Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: gfh77665] #5008216
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Originally Posted by gfh77665
Originally Posted by joekingcorvette
The Honda Civic Is is a really nice looking car and built to last. Buy with confidence and post pictures. Don't believe some of these naysayers. Honda's are still
more dependable than my Corvette and Jeep. The Ford is pretty bulletproof so far. I am not brand loyal at all but have had my best luck with Toyota's and Honda's.



Is JD Power the "naysayer"?

AFAIK, JD Power is THE automotive quality authority.



I don't know. I read in Car and Driver they were pretty good. If everybody believed in JD Power or Consumer reports or any other media there wouldn't
be any thing to discuss! Historically Honda manual transmissions have been extremely dependable. cheers


2005 Chevrolet Corvette
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2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (wifes)
2012 Honda Civic 4 door (my daily driver)
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Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: gfh77665] #5008217
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Originally Posted by gfh77665
Its amazing how far Honda quality has dropped off during the last 10 years or so. Honda built themselves up a great reputation in the past , now they presume their nameplate alone is enough. Not so. Kia, Hyundai, Ford and Chevy top the last. Honda is near the BOTTOM!

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2018-us-initial-quality-study-iqs


Their daily drivers are not very good cars, they were better years ago but those days are long gone. They should stick to doing what they do best build motorcycles.


2cents


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Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: gfh77665] #5008237
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Originally Posted by gfh77665
Its amazing how far Honda quality has dropped off during the last 10 years or so. Honda built themselves up a great reputation in the past , now they presume their nameplate alone is enough. Not so. Kia, Hyundai, Ford and Chevy top the last. Honda is near the BOTTOM!

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2018-us-initial-quality-study-iqs


JD Power is absolute [censored], though. Besides the fact that they're basically an awards for hire business that will carefully tailor a specific category for their client to then "win", with great fanfare, their "reliability" reports have no weighting and are therefore fundamentally flawed.

JD Power would consider a loose piece of trim, squeaky brakes or infotainment bugs to be exactly the same as a car that literally exploded in your driveway. They do not differentiate between catastrophic, expensive failures and minor issues.


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Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: littlehulkster] #5008238
02/11/19 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by littlehulkster

JD Power is absolute [censored], though. Besides the fact that they're basically an awards for hire business that will carefully tailor a specific category for their client to then "win", with great fanfare, their "reliability" reports have no weighting and are therefore fundamentally flawed.

JD Power would consider a loose piece of trim, squeaky brakes or infotainment bugs to be exactly the same as a car that literally exploded in your driveway. They do not differentiate between catastrophic, expensive failures and minor issues.



Got a reference for any of that?

JD Power is very well respected. Of course it cannot even begin to compare with Honda fan boys posting on the internet.

Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: Trav] #5008240
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Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by gfh77665
Its amazing how far Honda quality has dropped off during the last 10 years or so. Honda built themselves up a great reputation in the past , now they presume their nameplate alone is enough. Not so. Kia, Hyundai, Ford and Chevy top the last. Honda is near the BOTTOM!

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2018-us-initial-quality-study-iqs


Their daily drivers are not very good cars, they were better years ago but those days are long gone. They should stick to doing what they do best build motorcycles.


2cents

OPE engines.


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Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: CT8] #5008242
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Originally Posted by CT8
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OPE engines.



Agree with that. OPE and MC's.

Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: y_p_w] #5008243
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it is an amazing car for the money. If you keep it stock - will last you and serve well. I own Civic hatch 6MT myself and 30k miles and 2yrs after 0 issues.

I've test driven Si a week ago and it feels great, car was new so hard to tell if there's really a 30hp difference. Plus keep in mind that Si is all about handling (which is not quite applicable in my case with primarily straight texas highway driving). Anyway, get the Si, I promise you won't regret. Just change the motor oil at reasonable OCI, swap tranny fluid to Amsoil and you'll be blown away how good the car is.

Re: Honda transmissions made in India? [Re: y_p_w] #5008265
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I could see owning a Civic Type R.


Mine:
2014 M235i
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