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Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: blupupher] #5007263
02/10/19 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by blupupher
Use 5w-20 with a quality filter changed at a reasonable interval and your engine will have no problems.
Use 5w-30 with a quality filter changed at a reasonable interval and your engine will have no problems.


^ Yep.


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Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: zeke1985] #5007273
02/10/19 07:30 PM
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I’ll ask you this, why do manufacturers spec a 5W-30 in place of a 0W-20 for towing/severe service? Perhaps it offers more protection than a 0W-20? Just a thought.


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Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5007279
02/10/19 07:38 PM
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coffee

Better go find that brown wood chair 1JZ_E46 hide


19 Hyundai SantaFe 2.4GDI Castrol Edge 5w30 / NAPA Mann-Hummel filter / 6oz Liqui-Moly Treatment
04 Colorado 3.5 Castrol Edge 0W40 Euro & K&N filter
03 Malibu 3.1 QS / Valv Syn 5w30 mix Fram EG filter
Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: zeke1985] #5007308
02/10/19 07:58 PM
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FWIW Used 5-20 with the same 1.6 engine on a Rio-- no problems, no burning. Started my Soul on Max Life 5-20, was short a half quart (probably cause they thought it was a 1.6 rather than a 2.0) and threw a half a quart of Harvest King synthetic 5-30 in there. Now running 5-30 VWB. Noticed no difference in oil use, performance or mileage in any of them.


2017 Kia Soul Plus-- Super Tech Synthetic 5w30 59000 miles
Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: zeke1985] #5007344
02/10/19 08:29 PM
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As long as you're in the recommended temp range for 5w30 per your owner's manual, you're fine. Doubtful you'll notice a change in mpg. I went to a 5w30 from a 20 weight and noticed no change in mpg.

Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: zeke1985] #5007356
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XW-30 oil is perfect for nearly any gasoline burning engine in existence. I use XW-30 in my 1947 Ford Tractor, my 2003 Mercury Marauder, my 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe, my 1992 Mercury Capri, my zero turn mower, my 4 stroke string trimmer, my Generac generator, my smaller riding mower, and my 1969 Torino GT with a 390. There is no reason to use anything else unless fuel mileage is your primary concern. It’s not mine. My primary concern is engine longevity. That is all. I have nothing more to add to this subject.


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Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: zeke1985] #5007373
02/10/19 08:56 PM
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You hit the BITOG nerve.

There just isn't that much difference in viscosity between a 20W & 30W oil. Some 20s ride up near 30W territory and some 30s ride down by the 20W so if you want to split the difference choose one of them.

That engine only takes about 3.5 qt and sludges easily so stick to a 5000mi OCI unless you do mostly Hwy miles. Also, change the air filter on a short interval (plugs too) and nothing but Top Tier fuel.

Last edited by KevinP; 02/10/19 08:57 PM.
Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: Nickdfresh] #5007411
02/10/19 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Originally Posted by Pinoak
Originally Posted by zeke1985
Compared to 5w20? My car calls for 5w20 for better mpg but manual says you can use 5w30. Would 5w30 be better for the hot summers and long stop and go commutes out west? Would mpg even be a noticeable difference? I just assume use 5w20 but just curious as to what other people thought.

You could use the 5w30 all the time and your car will probably be better for it. the 1st number (5) represents how well is flows when cold at start up. The next number is how thick it will remain at operating temperatures when your car is warmed up and going.
Most of the world dosent use 0or 5w20. It's something imposed on the consumer here and in Japan etc. to try and drive down fuel usage a little bit at the expenses of proper lubrication. Ya know whenever you have the government involved in anything you can bank on it being useless and counterproductive.


Um, 5W-30 was also the result of "government interference", much like clean food and non-leaded paint and fuels...

I guess that's good for people that can't figure out for themselves to only eat clean food and to not eat paint chips lol. Most of us could do much better with only limited government intrusion.

Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: Pinoak] #5007627
02/11/19 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinoak
I guess that's good for people that can't figure out for themselves to only eat clean food and to not eat paint chips lol. Most of us could do much better with only limited government intrusion.

At the risk of violating the RSP rules... What is limited government intrusion?

Let's not forget, leaded gasoline impacted everyone. One doesn't have a choice about the air they breath. Paint chips, fine, I won't eat any, but that wasn't the problem, was it? It was kids being kids. You could say bad parenting if the house was peeling paint, and I'd be ok with that--but getting rid of leaded gasoline and rudimentary emissions controls have done piles for cleaning up the air. But that required a fair amount of intrusion.


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Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: zeke1985] #5007656
02/11/19 08:32 AM
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There was something bad about lead but I just can’t remember what it was! LOL


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Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: kschachn] #5007697
02/11/19 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Please, not another one of these “thick vs. thin” threads. The site is littered and choked with them already.

The very definition of a troll thread on here.

Yet your sure to comment on it. "Birds of the same feather flock together" is that how the saying goes?
No offense to the op. Your question might be perfectly legit. Just making a point

Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: Pinoak] #5007706
02/11/19 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinoak
Originally Posted by kschachn
Please, not another one of these “thick vs. thin” threads. The site is littered and choked with them already.

The very definition of a troll thread on here.
Yet your sure to comment on it. "Birds of the same feather flock together" is that how the saying goes?
No offense to the op. Your question might be perfectly legit. Just making a point

How would you know so much about me being new to Bitog?

Right.


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Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: bullwinkle] #5007718
02/11/19 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bullwinkle
As always, UOAs tell the whole story, preferably NOT Blackstone if you have a GDI engine prone to excessive fuel in the oil (they tend to under-report fuel).


Please, yes, please show me just one person on here who had a Blackstone UOA done where the fuel % caused their engine to fail. You're perpetuating an unproven myth at this point since the actual effects are not quantifiable by a $25 UOA. Blackstone does plenty enough of UOAs that if there were failures shortly after a "good" report that were tied to fuel %, Blackstone would likely move to a higher-accuracy test method like Polaris or some of the other labs use.

As a matter of fact, I don't even think we've seen a truly "ugly" UOA from known diluters such as the 3.5 EcoBoost engines... sure, the ppm/1k is higher than some port-injected engines... but every engine family will have different inherent "normal" wear rates.

Use a manufacturer-recommended certification and weight, and change at manufacturer-recommended intervals or when the OLM says to. Your engine will almost certainly not fail because of the oil.

Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: zeke1985] #5007747
02/11/19 10:12 AM
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ON, Canada eh?
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It's not about "failures" it about "accurate data" on fuel numbers so you can make an informed decision as to what length you can run the oil in your application. Why pay for a UOA and only get partially accurate data? shrug
Perhaps you can trend your wear metal counts downward by keeping what fuel dilution does happen in your samples lower? How are you going to make that assertion using "interpreted" fuel numbers?

As for... "Use a manufacturer-recommended certification and weight, and change at manufacturer-recommended intervals or when the OLM says to. Your engine will almost certainly not fail because of the oil."
Let's talk about the Honda 1.5T in northern climates as an example where this isn't working... wink

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Re: 5w30 really better protection? [Re: kschachn] #5007802
02/11/19 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Pinoak
Originally Posted by kschachn
Please, not another one of these “thick vs. thin” threads. The site is littered and choked with them already.

The very definition of a troll thread on here.
Yet your sure to comment on it. "Birds of the same feather flock together" is that how the saying goes?
No offense to the op. Your question might be perfectly legit. Just making a point

How would you know so much about me being new to Bitog?

Right.

Lets see, because you have trolled just about every one of my post. Its like your my Paparazzi. Its actually kinda creepy dude

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