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Re: Head with leaky valves advice needed [Re: rshaw125] #5007626
02/11/19 07:55 AM
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It's a 2004 DOHC. Dry compression test followed by wet. The two bad cylinders saw no improvement from added oil.
Visually the cam lobes look like new.
The head in question is going to the machine shop Wednesday. Trying to decide if the other head should go even if it does not leak water.
Thanks for the replies.


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Re: Head with leaky valves advice needed [Re: rshaw125] #5007668
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Did you perform a leakdown test?


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Re: Head with leaky valves advice needed [Re: rshaw125] #5007670
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Originally Posted by rshaw125
It's a 2004 DOHC.
The head in question is going to the machine shop Wednesday. Trying to decide if the other head should go even if it does not leak water.

Many years ago I worked in a machine shop, I learned quite a bit from some of the best machinists on L.I. The other head has just as much wear as the head in question, only it is not showing any symptoms, yet. You're halfway there labor wise to having that head done. Having said that, and forgetting ethics, if you're looking to sell the car fix the head in question and let the next person worry about it. If you want to keep the car, or care about ethics I'd do both heads. Imagine 6 months from now, or possibly less having to rip everything apart to do the other head. We are not talking a low mileage car here. I would say 8 out ten times we did heads in pairs.


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Re: Head with leaky valves advice needed [Re: rshaw125] #5007673
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stretched timing belt caused misfires/stumbles at idle and low rpm for me.

~50psi is very low pressure.

leaky EXH valve can also cause misfire if it's developing hotspots and causing preignition.


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Re: Head with leaky valves advice needed [Re: 46Harry] #5007674
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Originally Posted by 46Harry
Since the head is off and there is leakage from the valves, now would be a good time to get the head reconditioned especially since the engine has 150,000 miles on it.



Exactly what I was thinking .


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Re: Head with leaky valves advice needed [Re: mattd] #5007687
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Originally Posted by mattd
Did you perform a leakdown test?


No. The two low compression cylinders were also the one's that were misfiring. Also the one's with the leaky valves.


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Re: Head with leaky valves advice needed [Re: rshaw125] #5007713
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Water is a poor choice to leak test valves, it normally does not wet out the surfaces and with the surface tension it normally takes a pretty big hole to leak thru without pressure. Alcohol is a better choice. Bet those valves would gush with alcohol. If the head is still on the engine the alcohol will burn off evaporate much quicker but you still must worry about hydrostatic lock.

Re: Head with leaky valves advice needed [Re: rshaw125] #5008274
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Leak down test would have given more info. Since the head is off, recondition it, and press on with pride. If the misfire stops, you will know why.


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