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Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: sibhus] #5004912
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Think Ceratec was made for racing where high rpm and heat were at. Think a good ester based oil like motul 300v or redline oil would be a good start.


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Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: sibhus] #5005150
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i'm not understanding what the problem with "falling out of suspension" is. from my understanding the moly will embed into the metals inside the engine...so then you might/probably will have moly that doesn't embed into the metals that "falls out of suspension", does that mean it can't get mixed up with the oil again? once u run the engine, wouldn't everything mix back up again?

Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: demarpaint] #5005660
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Originally Posted by demarpaint
Originally Posted by kr_bitog
Originally Posted by demarpaint
A few years back Trav had posted pics about MoS2 falling out of suspension in a vehicle that wasn't driven daily, and Ceratec falling out of suspension in a compressor pump. I also heard of other cases of Ceratec falling out of suspension and deposited on the bottoms of oil pans. As a result I passed.

I am just wondering since ceratec is supposed to be providing micro lubrication when it is dry, falling out of suspension is considered normal ?

Maybe Trav will see this and elaborate. I would prefer "additives" stay in suspension, especially in vehicles that aren't driven daily. To me "normal" would be something that doesn't settle into the bottom of the oil pan if the vehicle sits more than a few days.


Yes Frank you remember right. I changed the rusted pan on one (no idea why that was the only rusted part on that car) that sits all winter and found a load of MoS2 that I had been running in the bottom. It was not sludge. The problem is once its on the bottom of the pan there is no flow or agitation in that area so it just builds up. I never used it again.

I did try Ceratec in my compressor, that stuff clumped in every nook and cranny I could see even though I mixed it with the oil thoroughly prior to putting it in.
It didn't do any harm but it didn't seem to do anything beneficial either.


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Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: Trav] #5006162
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Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by demarpaint
Originally Posted by kr_bitog
Originally Posted by demarpaint
A few years back Trav had posted pics about MoS2 falling out of suspension in a vehicle that wasn't driven daily, and Ceratec falling out of suspension in a compressor pump. I also heard of other cases of Ceratec falling out of suspension and deposited on the bottoms of oil pans. As a result I passed.

I am just wondering since ceratec is supposed to be providing micro lubrication when it is dry, falling out of suspension is considered normal ?

Maybe Trav will see this and elaborate. I would prefer "additives" stay in suspension, especially in vehicles that aren't driven daily. To me "normal" would be something that doesn't settle into the bottom of the oil pan if the vehicle sits more than a few days.


Yes Frank you remember right. I changed the rusted pan on one (no idea why that was the only rusted part on that car) that sits all winter and found a load of MoS2 that I had been running in the bottom. It was not sludge. The problem is once its on the bottom of the pan there is no flow or agitation in that area so it just builds up. I never used it again.

I did try Ceratec in my compressor, that stuff clumped in every nook and cranny I could see even though I mixed it with the oil thoroughly prior to putting it in.
It didn't do any harm but it didn't seem to do anything beneficial either.

I'm glad I'm not losing it. I never tried Ceratec and ditched MoS2 because of your experience. Two of my three vehicles will sit, occasionally a week or more. I'm not about to take a chance.


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Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: demarpaint] #5006515
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Anything with solids is going to fall out of suspension if it sits long enough, how long exactly that is before it begins I don't know. What surprised me is the Ceratec, the compressor runs daily and for a long enough time to get the oil up to temp.
I ran MoS2 in the one car because it has a habit of wearing engine bearings under high boost, the MoS2 did not help only a thicker oil (10w60) had significant benefit.


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Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: sibhus] #5009225
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I was curious, as a prior poster mentioned Lubegen Bio, in what instances do you decide whether to use this and given its formula, is it preferable to use it with a certain oil. Im thinking of trying this stuff out with my Castrol 0w40.

Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: sibhus] #5009625
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Originally Posted by sibhus
I was curious, as a prior poster mentioned Lubegen Bio, in what instances do you decide whether to use this and given its formula, is it preferable to use it with a certain oil. Im thinking of trying this stuff out with my Castrol 0w40.

Unfortunately you are not going to get answers based on a few facts, and a lot of opinions. The product is polar in nature, contains esters, and a good shot of moly. Moly that willl stay in suspension. Search the site for Lubegard Biotech Engine Protectant, there is quite a bit of info on it.


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Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: sibhus] #5010257
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Originally Posted by sibhus
I was curious, as a prior poster mentioned Lubegen Bio, in what instances do you decide whether to use this and given its formula, is it preferable to use it with a certain oil. Im thinking of trying this stuff out with my Castrol 0w40.


The Castrol 0w40 is a pretty good oil as it is right from the bottle, personally I wouldn't bother. Fact is a lot of these products were developed and did seem to make a difference at that time many years ago but there is no comparison between oils of yesteryear and today. In old engines I do use ZDDP, there is no real additive in use today that replaces it despite what they claim, cam wear in these old lumps proves it, the Castrol 0w40 has enough ZDDP on its own, extra is not needed except for all out engines with big cams, flat tappets and obligatory high rate valve springs.


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Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: Trav] #5012723
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Originally Posted by Trav
Anything with solids is going to fall out of suspension if it sits long enough, how long exactly that is before it begins I don't know. What surprised me is the Ceratec, the compressor runs daily and for a long enough time to get the oil up to temp.
I ran MoS2 in the one car because it has a habit of wearing engine bearings under high boost, the MoS2 did not help only a thicker oil (10w60) had significant benefit.



I too found ceratec clumped in low flow areas.

A physics based calculation for settling can be found here:

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...75/all/small-particle-mos2-settling-time

Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: sibhus] #5029200
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2016. russian auto magazine published some tests done
translated version:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zr.ru%2Fcontent%2Farticles%2F840783-lechim-motory-prisadkami-k-motornym-maslam%2F

so you can read in details.

that is same picture with some , simplistic translations.
[Linked Image]


But thing that exactly kill you Porsche engine are bad oil:
here what you will get under high temperature:

You definitely don't want it in you engine:
[Linked Image]

and dont want that:
[Linked Image]


YOU want that: the clean one, ( that an example)
[Linked Image]

all in one list: ( just a note , many brands are europe market, chemistry might be differ due to source of manufacturing, despite the same bottle, so test yourself, flask , and the heater, 30min under 400 Celsius.
https://bmwservice.livejournal.com/27699.html

Re: LM Ceratec to reduce engine wear [Re: sibhus] #5073762
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This is a post from Russian oil club where Liqui Moly Ceratec is mixed with Castrol 0w40. Just click on the picture of the oil analysis to enlarge it-that way you do not need to download oil report.

https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic...40-svezhee-prisadka-liqui-moly-ceratec/#

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