Brutality, with intent to kill....

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This has been playing on my mind lately.

All my life, there have been schoolyard brawls, fist fights outside pubs and the like, but something's changed in the not so long past.

Rather than a display of physical dominance, the desire to absolutely destroy the opponent...more specifically head stomping.

A week ago, a little kid, 4 days into highschool was set upon by another kid, 16 years old.

He quickly hit the ground, and then the head stomping started...end result all teeth lost, broken nose, fractured eye socket, and suspected brain damage...life changed forever even if the physical heals. The kids in the playground (mine included) are still reeling at the violence and the sight of it.

Another guy outside a pub 3 months ago, the fight should have been over, but the head stomping started. Three years ago, a neighbour's nephew walking down a road, a guy crossed to intercept him, robbed him, then head stomped him into an electric wheelchair.

It's an issue that I'm really struggling with is what has happened where people feel the need to utterly destroy others.
 
Sadly, a few humans are sick animals. Fortunately it's limited to a small group and most people mean well and are good hearted.
 
Early in my career I worked with a brilliant PhD. He was older than me and early in his career he started out doing animal studies and experiments (don't ask, it was horrible).

Anyway, he once made a comment about the human condition and population. He said, "Even friendly lab rats will chew each other's leg off when the cage gets too crowded".

Scott
 
I don't think it's for pleasure...it's a possessed rage, coupled with an absolute lack of empathy
 
Although there have always been sick individuals, I agree with Shannow that something recently has changed.

I think it is related to the internet, social media and online pornography which is about power and violence.

Kids today have access to things today that the average liberal (small "l" not political) person a couple of decades ago would have found too much.
 
Over population can lead to lots of negative results. Some think that violent movies and video game desensitizes.
 
Originally Posted by Lapham3
Over population can lead to lots of negative results. Some think that violent movies and video game desensitizes.


I read an article years and years ago by an anthropologist who posited that in hunter gatherer societies, these personalities would be out hunting, expending energy, and wreaking violence, for the good of the tribe.

They would come home, and be celebrated, and held in high esteem by the tribe.

They would defend the tribe.

Included reference to hundreds of year of war, and tickertape parades.

The article was with relation to gang violence, and how that fundamental wiring translated to gangs and gang violence.

It made sense, in a tribal, gang related context.

I can't translate it into the need to utterly destroy another person
 
Originally Posted by CharlieBauer
Although there have always been sick individuals, I agree with Shannow that something recently has changed.

I think it is related to the internet, social media and online pornography which is about power and violence.

Kids today have access to things today that the average liberal (small "l" not political) person a couple of decades ago would have found too much.


Aren't murders and violent crime down significantly? We don't see anything crazy like the serial killers that were prolific in the 70's.
 
Before my dad left for Vietnam if kids had a problem they fought behind gas station on Friday. The gas clerk supervised to make sure nobody had a knife or gun. It was usually over in a minute and by Monday everybody was friends. I lost a few won a few but never thought about killing anybody. Sad people have a Mortal Kombat mentality at a young age. Dad would show me tricks on pressure points to make things end. Fan of kids attending martial arts.
 
Originally Posted by Marco620
Before my dad left for Vietnam if kids had a problem they fought behind gas station on Friday. The gas clerk supervised to make sure nobody had a knife or gun. It was usually over in a minute and by Monday everybody was friends. I lost a few won a few but never thought about killing anybody. Sad people have a Mortal Kombat mentality at a young age. Dad would show me tricks on pressure points to make things end. Fan of kids attending martial arts.


That's just as sick as what the OP described.
 
The king hit punch has become the in thing too - to go in and inflict maximum damage...and of course someone filming it. Because their lives are so controlled and boring they need excitment. We had six of the best to add excitment to stepping out of line at school.
 
There is very little moral compass left in this world. There is a specific reason for this, but that topic is not one to be discussed here.

In the very end though, it all works out,
 
Originally Posted by gfh77665
There is very little moral compass left in this world. There is a specific reason for this, but that topic is not one to be discussed here.

In the very end though, it all works out,


Will counter that with the possibility of "chemical" possession, in an animistic sense...Ahayusca experiences appear to be markedly similar over time in what the proper ritual experience provides to the proponent.

does "Ice" (crystal meth), create a typical experience which involves stomping someone's brains out ?
 
I read an article years and years ago by an anthropologist who posited that in hunter gatherer societies, these personalities would be out hunting, expending energy, and wreaking violence, for the good of the tribe.


As to this-A number of tribes in present day USA were of this nature. It's not an area fit for much discussion these days, but there is plenty of historical evidence of simple murder and torture and abuse of captives. Women and men may both participate and derive enjoyment.
 
You nailed it with... Lack of empathy.

Stuff online, tv, videos, movies, video games equals... Lack of empathy. .

If one adds drugs, alcohol and bad parenting to this... A terrible concoction is set up for bad things to happen.
 
Ask yourselves what has changed? Parenting, or lack thereof. Teaching, or lack thereof. Discipline, or lack thereof. Caring, or lack thereof. Along with the pushing of abnormal progressive social agendas and values. Lack of religion. Not so much in which "god" to believe in. But in regards to how it teaches people to treat their fellow men. Lack of personal social interaction because of machines. Along with the social isolationism they provide.

As a direct example you have young girls who are, "sexting" guys they have never met face to face. By sending sexually explicit photos of themselves. What message does that send? It isn't good. These same girls would not think of taking their clothes off at a party, in front of the same guy they just met a half an hour ago. Their phones make them both socially and sexually brave. Same with the lack of respect, and insulting behavior Internet communication allows. People say things to others they would never think of saying in a face to face meeting.

I won't go as far as to blame violence in games and movies. Simply because we've had violence in movies since they made, "The Great Train Robbery" back in 1903. Sure it's become more graphic, just as the language has. But before kids were better able to separate it from reality. Today they want to mimic it. When I was in grade school my friends and I used to bring our .22's to school, and keep them in our lockers. So after class we could go plinking together. The only reaction I got from the Principal one day, was he asked if he could see it. And proceeded to comment on how nice it was. There were no mass school or workplace shootings back then. Try bringing a gun into a school today and see what happens. Again, what's changed?

I won't blame drugs either. They've been around for ages. Kids who grew up in the 60's were all exposed to as much or more of it as kids today. I know I sure was. They just kept more in touch with reality. Most grew out of it once they graduated, and went to work for a living. And as much as people like to mock Nancy Regan, she was right. A lot of us simply said, "No!"

Add it all up and it creates what you have today. A much more violent, desensitized society. And this is all going to get a lot worse before it gets any better..... If it ever does.
 
Originally Posted by dishdude
Originally Posted by CharlieBauer
Although there have always been sick individuals, I agree with Shannow that something recently has changed.

I think it is related to the internet, social media and online pornography which is about power and violence.

Kids today have access to things today that the average liberal (small "l" not political) person a couple of decades ago would have found too much.


Aren't murders and violent crime down significantly? We don't see anything crazy like the serial killers that were prolific in the 70's.


Murders are down in the US significantly since the 1970's and especially the 1930's, the time of "The Greatest Generation". Checking rates, you're about as likely to be murdered today as one was in the 1950's, and the chance is half of what it was in the early 1970's....
 
Originally Posted by dishdude
....We don't see anything crazy like the serial killers that were prolific in the 70's.

Sure you do. They're still out there in droves. They've just become so pathetically common, (much like school shootings), they don't get the press they used to get 40 years ago. Today the 24/7 news cycle dilutes most everything of importance.

https://www.ranker.com/list/21st-century-serial-killers/ranker-crime
 
Originally Posted by billt460
Originally Posted by dishdude
....We don't see anything crazy like the serial killers that were prolific in the 70's.

Sure you do. They're still out there in droves. They've just become so pathetically common, (much like school shootings), they don't get the press they used to get 40 years ago. Today the 24/7 news cycle dilutes most everything of importance.

https://www.ranker.com/list/21st-century-serial-killers/ranker-crime


There are certainly still serial killers out there right now, but newer law enforcement technologies such as the rise of DNA evidence, criminal profiling, etc., has made it a lot harder for them to be as prolific and ultimately get away with it. Even killers that quit a long time ago are often caught, like The Golden State Killer...

I might also point out that you were far more likely to have been murdered in the 1700's, as there was no effective law enforcement methodologies to investigate murders, and I suspect a lot of serial killers existed then....

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the media ignores serial killers, probably quite the opposite. I suspect it's probably sensationalized and decontextualized as crime is in general but the media making it seem far more common than it is..
 
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