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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: KrisZ] #5004772 02/08/19 11:48 AM
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Agree. Nothing good comes of dual mass flywheels. If it's the type with the springs, I bet some are broken.


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Audios] #5004851 02/08/19 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by KrisZ
That clutch is toast. A slipping clutch is almost never the fault of hydraulics, unless there is a leak on the clutch, as they are used to disengage the clutch, then the clutch springs engage it and ensure it stays engaged.

I would look for a single mass flywheel conversion kit. It will be less expensive than a dual mass flywheel and should last for the life of this vehicle no problems.


I have receipt of clutch repair at 80000km or so, it's 144000km and toast. 60000km is rather short for a set. The hydraulics were sticking when pressed, I opened and cleaned 2 times because OEM 17 years DOT3 fill was forming gunk in master and slave cylinder. I guess this wore out the clutch prematurely. I could see the fork still moving when pressing pedal and going out of car before cleaning inside

Seems I'm wrong and it's not a DMF (I'll see it live tomorrow)

Originally Posted by Audios
2WD drops it down to 6.7 hours, so heres hoping that its only a front wheel drive?


It's a 4WD

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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Miller88] #5004883 02/08/19 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Miller88
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Being AWD I could see it being a long job.

IIRC it was about an hour to drop the trans in my Jetta. But my mechanic had done it a bunch of times, knew what he was doing. But no extra driveshaft etc in the way.

Cars suck. Sometimes I think about buying new and flipping every 150-200k (6-10 years, give or take). Not the cheapest solution but perhaps least work involved.



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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004894 02/08/19 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Superflan
Originally Posted by KrisZ
That clutch is toast. A slipping clutch is almost never the fault of hydraulics, unless there is a leak on the clutch, as they are used to disengage the clutch, then the clutch springs engage it and ensure it stays engaged.

I would look for a single mass flywheel conversion kit. It will be less expensive than a dual mass flywheel and should last for the life of this vehicle no problems.


I have receipt of clutch repair at 80000km or so, it's 144000km and toast. 60000km is rather short for a set. The hydraulics were sticking when pressed, I opened and cleaned 2 times because OEM 17 years DOT3 fill was forming gunk in master and slave cylinder. I guess this wore out the clutch prematurely. I could see the fork still moving when pressing pedal and going out of car before cleaning inside

Seems I'm wrong and it's not a DMF (I'll see it live tomorrow)


Wow! You learn something new everyday. I never encountered or heard of something like this before. The fluid must've been really gunky to hold off the clutch plate pressure.
Thanks for sharing this.👍


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004908 02/08/19 02:13 PM
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Sounds like contaminated fluid, in that case the only cure is to replace both cylinders and flush the line well.

Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: mk378] #5004935 02/08/19 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KrisZ

Wow! You learn something new everyday. I never encountered or heard of something like this before. The fluid must've been really gunky to hold off the clutch plate pressure.
Thanks for sharing this.👍

Yeah me neither. The gunk looked like blue « marine » grease

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Sounds like contaminated fluid, in that case the only cure is to replace both cylinders and flush the line well.

I’ll monitor things carefully but now it’s working good


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004942 02/08/19 02:53 PM
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todays clutches being hydraulic generally feed of brake fluid reservoir, at least my 11 nissan frontier does. changing + flushing all fluid is generally every 5 years. can't say anything but good luck + as noted single mass fly + aftermarket can be a lot cheaper, look for you tubes + buy a service manual for specific torques. i would join + look at a Rav IV specific forum as well, good luck!!

Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5005000 02/08/19 03:52 PM
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The OP is in Reunion Island, I doubt there's a HF location close by.

I would try the job myself. Probably need two weekends to get it all done...

Here is a link which may help you. Not sure if any special tools are needed to access everything.

https://pmmonline.co.uk/technical/how-fit-clutch-toyota-rav4/


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5005002 02/08/19 03:56 PM
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Hope it's just a hydraulic issue.
I had something similar with my BMW several years ago. The slave was fed off the master cyl (shared res.) and once the brake fluid went low enough, it caused issues with the slave.

Another vote for FWD/RWD


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5005170 02/08/19 07:03 PM
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I doubt the hydraulics would wear out the clutch, the release bearing and fingers maybe, but not the clutch plate.

I haven't done the later models, but the first RAV4's were a really pain. you can't pull the gearbox back because it hits the transfer box, you can't remove the transfer because it hits the block. In the shop it's easier to drop the powertrain on the floor and jiggle it all apart. A young guy at work did one in the car last year, it looked nasty because he had the engine hanging at an angle to get the box down. Not something I'd do at home that's for sure.


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5005303 02/08/19 10:01 PM
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I’d make extremely sure the pressure plate has free play at the fingers. As a clutch disk wears the free play decreases. Replacement parts may have different dimensions and take up any slack faster.


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5005374 02/09/19 12:25 AM
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New parts

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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5005624 02/09/19 10:52 AM
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Wheres Extra EU?


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5005659 02/09/19 11:24 AM
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I read that to mean "somewhere not in the EU." The telephone number would lead to Verona, Italy though.

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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5005767 02/09/19 01:47 PM
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So, the [censored] clutch kit is out. Rivets were licking pressure plate.

Jack up the car, remove wheels, detach control arms, detach wheel pivots, remove x member, remove front driveshafts, remove half airbox, detach clutch slave cylinder, lines, remove starter motor, jack up engine, remove gearbox, done.

It took 3 hours for me and a brother's friend who did it on his RAV4 weeks ago.

Now I need to shave the flywheel that is in bad shape before putting it all back together

Next on Monday with pics

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‘01 Peugeot Partner 1.9 D, 15W40 E7, 276000 Km, running straight WVO
Wife's '19 Suzuki Vitara 1.0 Boosterjet (TGDI), 5W40 A3/B4, 31000 Km
Backup ‘01 Toyota RAV4 3-dr 2.0 VVTi, 5W40 A3/B4, 170000 Km
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