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Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY #5004508 02/08/19 03:48 AM
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Hi,

I maybe underestimated a disaster that was waiting to happen.

When we bought the used car, I noticed the clutch was slipping sometimes, but mainly after engaging each gear.

Later I figured out that hydraulics were the problem, and cleaning slave cylinder (all greasy inside) and flushing fluid solved 80% of clutch behaving issues.

But on occasions, like giving full throttle at sub-midrange RPMs, it slipped anyway until catching up at a higher speed. I then figured that even if clutch pack was replaced somewhere long before the purchase, that hydraulics was likely the root problem and that it continued to wear the actual clutch pack

Fast forward today, it slips at every hill, and I think it won't last more than a work day. I will check hydraulics in a minute to insure it's not sticking.

Any clue of special things when replacing a clutch pack and dual mass flywheel on this MY2001 TOYOTA 1AZ-FE RAV4 ?

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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004531 02/08/19 05:37 AM
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I can't tell you any specific things you will need. But I can say that when I was 20 I replaced a clutch into a FWD toyota with a friend of mine who just like myself, had no clue what he was doing. We got it done and it worked.


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004614 02/08/19 08:24 AM
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Youre going to need alot alot alot of time and even more patience. Book time is 18.9 hours for 4wd!!!! This could be a killer for the car depending on how much you want to sink into the car, but we could be in the 3000 range at a shop. Insane!


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Audios] #5004625 02/08/19 08:39 AM
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18h! Are you sure it's for the same car? Seems overkill


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004640 02/08/19 09:00 AM
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18 hours for a shop means more than that for someone working on jack stands. Yikes.

Cars are such a pain sometimes. As an older guy, I simply don't have the time or energy to be dealing with transmission removals in my driveway. I truly feel for you.

I'd rather be out on my KTM, misbehaving.......


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004641 02/08/19 09:02 AM
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On vehicles with transverse engines, you have to do a significant amount of extra work.

Front suspension has to come apart to be able to get the axle shafts out. Linkages have to be disconnected (and they are never in good locations). If you're lucky, the transmission can come out the top - otherwise you're dropping a subframe/kmenber/engine cradle/whatever-it-is to get the transmission out. Intake tubes, battery box ... all sorts of junk in the way with transverse engines.


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Miller88] #5004644 02/08/19 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Miller88
On vehicles with transverse engines, you have to do a significant amount of extra work.

Front suspension has to come apart to be able to get the axle shafts out. Linkages have to be disconnected (and they are never in good locations). If you're lucky, the transmission can come out the top - otherwise you're dropping a subframe/kmenber/engine cradle/whatever-it-is to get the transmission out. Intake tubes, battery box ... all sorts of junk in the way with transverse engines.


I'll document it so we can see what we have to see smile it's gonna be interesting


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004647 02/08/19 09:09 AM
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Being AWD I could see it being a long job.

IIRC it was about an hour to drop the trans in my Jetta. But my mechanic had done it a bunch of times, knew what he was doing. But no extra driveshaft etc in the way.

Cars suck. Sometimes I think about buying new and flipping every 150-200k (6-10 years, give or take). Not the cheapest solution but perhaps least work involved.


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004652 02/08/19 09:21 AM
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Duplicate post

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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: supton] #5004656 02/08/19 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by supton
Being AWD I could see it being a long job.

IIRC it was about an hour to drop the trans in my Jetta. But my mechanic had done it a bunch of times, knew what he was doing. But no extra driveshaft etc in the way.

Cars suck. Sometimes I think about buying new and flipping every 150-200k (6-10 years, give or take). Not the cheapest solution but perhaps least work involved.



I said I was done with new or even newer vehicles. I figured with a small fleet of older vehicles, I could make it work.

Until all three broke at once


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Miller88] #5004677 02/08/19 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Miller88
On vehicles with transverse engines, you have to do a significant amount of extra work.

Front suspension has to come apart to be able to get the axle shafts out. Linkages have to be disconnected (and they are never in good locations). If you're lucky, the transmission can come out the top - otherwise you're dropping a subframe/kmenber/engine cradle/whatever-it-is to get the transmission out. Intake tubes, battery box ... all sorts of junk in the way with transverse engines.


Yes they are a royal PITA.

If the trans comes out the bottom, they will probably need an engine support bar.

https://www.harborfreight.com/1000-lb-capacity-engine-support-bar-96524.html


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004678 02/08/19 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Superflan
Hi,

I maybe underestimated a disaster that was waiting to happen.


We've probably all done that with used cars with varying degrees of work and expense involved to correct the oversight. In another thread someone mentioned a free car that he had $2300 in and wasn't done yet. Ouch.

Grateful I don't have to deal with vehicles in their end of life miles. Hope it all doesn't have to come out the bottom. Good luck.


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Miller88] #5004682 02/08/19 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by supton
Being AWD I could see it being a long job.

IIRC it was about an hour to drop the trans in my Jetta. But my mechanic had done it a bunch of times, knew what he was doing. But no extra driveshaft etc in the way.

Cars suck. Sometimes I think about buying new and flipping every 150-200k (6-10 years, give or take). Not the cheapest solution but perhaps least work involved.



I said I was done with new or even newer vehicles. I figured with a small fleet of older vehicles, I could make it work.

Until all three broke at once

LOL Sorry, I can see that happening. MTBF all deciding to hit at once.


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Re: Wife's RAV4, burnt clutch, DIY [Re: Superflan] #5004701 02/08/19 10:29 AM
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That clutch is toast. A slipping clutch is almost never the fault of hydraulics, unless there is a leak on the clutch, as they are used to disengage the clutch, then the clutch springs engage it and ensure it stays engaged.

I would look for a single mass flywheel conversion kit. It will be less expensive than a dual mass flywheel and should last for the life of this vehicle no problems.

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2WD drops it down to 6.7 hours, so heres hoping that its only a front wheel drive?


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