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Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: AP9] #4940457
12/01/18 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AP9
If it weren't for the tax subsidies, E85 would invariably be worse value for the money at point-of-sale. Probably even more expensive per gallon.


Its amazing how stupid and dumbed down many of us Americans have become.

Ethanol in fuel does nothing except enrich the family incomes of the people you elect to office. What really drives me crazy is it is so blatant, Ethanol does far more harm to the environment.

and those tax subsidies? again, dumbed down Americans think there is such a thing as government money. Not thinking that the government is taking the money from your paycheck and redistributing it to causes that they think best which is usually whatever special interest group puts the most money into their campaign.

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Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: hatt] #4945527
12/06/18 10:21 PM
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Yep, it sure enriches my family income! Or at least, lets me keep more of it. Filled up with E85 yesterday for $1.11 a gallon.


Freedom is not about having the choice to do what you want, but the choice to do what you ought.
Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: TiredTrucker] #4945733
12/07/18 08:37 AM
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Exactly above.

E85 is a purely monetary decision

When it’s half the price of regular gas it’s worth burning in spades.

It’s also great racing fuel

Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: hatt] #4946665
12/08/18 12:54 PM
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It doesn't look like there are very many areas where it makes financial sense.


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Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: hatt] #4946681
12/08/18 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hatt
It doesn't look like there are very many areas where it makes financial sense.


One of the only things good about flyover country in the middle
$0.85 e85

Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: Rmay635703] #4946708
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Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Originally Posted by hatt
It doesn't look like there are very many areas where it makes financial sense.


One of the only things good about flyover country in the middle
$0.85 e85

If we didn't waste most of the ethanol by putting it in regular gas a lot more places could have cheap e85.


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Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: hatt] #4953006
12/15/18 09:30 PM
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I ran E85 almost exclusively in my old '09 MB C300 as the $$ spread always had me ahead using E85 vs 93 octane, it was $1-2/tank so not too terribly much. On a time basis it probably was more valuable to use premium as the E85 had me at the pump 1.5x more often.

My C300 ran better on E85, anytime I would have to switch back to 93 it would feel like a cruise ship anchor was tossed out back during the adaption period and even after the adaption it still just did not have the ooopmh it had on E85.

Cold starts were interesting when temps dropped down to freezing and below, one of the first times I experienced multiple misfires on a modern engine on a 20 some odd degree old start. I would bog the engine down almost to stalling trying to do the uphill exit out of my gate that was a few hundred feet from my parked location as the E85 is that bad at burning in the cold.

My E350 doesnt allow for E85 so I am off the juice for now, even if I still had my C300 the spread has gone back to 93 being the value fuel. There is nothing wrong with E85 and if the $$$$ make sense run it.


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Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: hatt] #4953864
12/17/18 01:49 AM
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And that is my primary motivation.... whatever provides me the lowest cost per mile to use.

Filled up yesterday with E85 for $1.10 a gallon. My 2015 Chevy 2500 6.0 averages locally about 10 mpg on the stuff. On E0 or E10, it averages about 13 mpg, 14 on a good day. Regular E10 fuel at the same station is going for $1.90 a gallon where I got the E85 for $1.10 (E0 is 30-40 cents higher nearby). So just to break even on the 11 cent a mile fuel cost by using E85, my 3/4 ton pickup would have to average almost 17 mpg on E10 regular fuel or 20 mpg on E0. That is not going to happen in either case, so I fill with E85.

This is why I am totally sold on flex fuel vehicles. I can use a smorgasbord of fuel choices, selecting the one that is the best value and changing as seasonal fuel prices change. For the last 6 years I have used E0, E10, E15, E20, E30, E50, and E85. The last two years on E85 exclusively because of the price advantage.


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Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: TiredTrucker] #4953865
12/17/18 02:00 AM
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Lots to do with where you live ... I'd have to drive a long, long way to find E85 ... but we do have one CNG outlet here that is mainly used by company vehicles ... but sold to the public ...

Re: E85 Experiment. [Re: hatt] #4997980
02/01/19 07:59 AM
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For fuel economy when premium gas prices was still over $3 E85 prices were under well under $2 around here (like $1.79) and it was definitely worth it even though my turbo BMWs fuel system was no where near adequate to run E85 beyond a 50/50 mix with gasoline and that was with in tank upgrade. NOW with gas here being under $2 there is no cost benefit.

However the benefit for E85 is tuning. Even with a 30% E85/gas mix I could run WAY more timing (like 5 deg more midrange up) and several more lbs of boost with no timing pull from the ECM. The car was a monster on E85 with E85 tune compared to gasoline. And I ran it that way almost exclusively for over 120K miles with E85 mix until the accessory belt snapped and got sucked into the crank case at 205K miles (completely unrelated to E85 or tuning).

If you have a "flex fuel" vehicle you aren't going to see power benefits without at least tune adjustments. You have to take advantage of the knock resistance which obviously OEMs could care less about. They just want to believe you have flexible fuel options. I literally only have ONE E85 station anywhere close to me...fortunately its 5 miles from my house. That meant if I found myself too far away from home or not being able to make it back to that pump I'd have to flash back to a gas tune (a one minute process but I'd still have to pull over somewhere).

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