Su-27 pushes away F-15

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OK that video is edited out of three videos (different Su-27s)...but it is the only one without "political" drama attached...so!

I would like to know....how "well" was that russian move "coordinated"?
 
Where is Tom Cruise when you need him. He'd teach that Su-27 pilot a thing or two.
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Where is Tom Cruise when you need him. He'd teach that Su-27 pilot a thing or two.
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What, Tom would attack him with an E-meter?
 
I think that's part of the game. I'd like to think Western guys are a bit more professional than that, but knowing a bunch of our guys, they too often push the limits. Western pilots have their own intercept methodology.

I can say, without a doubt, that F-16's and F-15's intercept light aircraft who violate TFR's here in the USA, with rather aggressive tactics. I really do feel for the "dumb" Cessna 152 pilot who makes a mistake, as he will have his hands full remaining straight and level.

I'm here in South Florida during the presidential TFR's I've seen a few intercepts. They are impressive, incredibly loud, and designed to get the attention of errant pilots.
 
Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Where is Tom Cruise when you need him. He'd teach that Su-27 pilot a thing or two.
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What, Tom would attack him with an E-meter?


We shall see this summer !!

My guess is that Maverick would've launched some flares onto the nose of the Su-27 as a symbolic equivalent to dropping a turd. hehe
 
I for one , do not know what the Rules for Engagement is / was for our pilots .

Would not be surprised if their orders were to not bend the bird and not to start a war .
 
Originally Posted by Kamele0N
OK that video is edited out of three videos (different Su-27s)...but it is the only one without "political" drama attached...so!

I would like to know....how "well" was that russian move "coordinated"?

Something seems off about that maneuver. Maybe it's the angle that it was shot but I have a hard time believing any pilot, either ours or theirs, would move over that hard on another aircraft assuming they would move to avoid a collision. There must be lots more space between them than the camera angle suggests.
 
Regarding F15 first side move.....western pilot expected that approach.....iVan only took advantage of that move/momentum...
But still...he was to close for comfort (from my perspective)
 
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Meh.... standard "discussion" that takes place all the time.

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I don't think he touched or really came all that close to him, it's more the camera angle. Besides why wouldn't he move over ,you never know what sort of idiot you're dealing with.
Remember back when that fool hotshot got dogging the Navy P3 intel plane off China? They had one hotshot used to make passes real close and do everything he could to scare them off. Got fooling around ended up sucked into the prop of the P3. No more Chinese topgun the US plane ended up staying together long enough to land on a Chinese airfield. The idiots didn't even think to destroy the crypto gear. My buddy who knew of such things being a former squid said the SOP was to ditch in deep water if at all possible with those intel planes. Big embarrassment many headaches . So you can see why it's better just to move over if you can. There is nothing worth dying over going on .
 
Would be nice to see them dog fighting and put both the machine and the skills to tests. It's been a while since fighter pilots competing for real.
 
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Where is Tom Cruise when you need him. He'd teach that Su-27 pilot a thing or two.
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Even take a Polaroid and give 'em the finger.
 
Yawn...

First - I don't know where this took place. The country that owns the airspace is important context.

Next - the video was shot from inside the airplane. That's one perspective. But it doesn't show the whole situation. F-15s don't intercept as singles. There is always a wingman. So, where was the wingman?

Likely about 3000' behind the airliner. In perfect firing position. Able to sort between the airliner, or either SU-27, who wouldn't have time to react before missile impact. An AIM-9 lock for example, will provide no indication in the cockpit of the SU-27, and the AIM-9 will have no trouble maintaining a precise lock in this instance. From trigger squeeze to impact would be about a second at that range, and the pilot who is flying close formation on the airliner can't see behind him. He has to be maneuvering to see an IR missile launch.

The SU-27s are positioned for a show of force to the people inside the airliner. They feel "protected" by the big fighters in parade formation, close aboard on their wing, but that position is a huge tactical disadvantage for the fighters. They're in no position to maneuver, monitor sensors/weapons, defend, or engage an enemy.

The F-15, similarly, showed up in close parade position, just to let everyone know that the Eagles were there. So, while the fighter lead was close aboard, the wingman was in a tactically relevant, very advantageous, firing position.

It's like this: three bad guys are walking down the street. Not looking behind them. Two cops show up. One walks up to them, and they act tough...but what they don't see is the second cop, right behind them, with his rifle sighted in on the VIP's head... so, while they're acting tough...they're in a completely defenseless position...

The SU-27 didn't "push" anything. He maneuvered aggressively to try and intimidate. The Eagle moved out of his way, in a rational, non-confrontational manner, because his mission was to escort, not start a fight.

IF a fight had started (and no one really wanted it to, but if) the first indication to our video-taker would be the exploding SU-27 on their wing, followed in quick succession by the downing of the second SU-27, who would suddenly be fighting against both Eagles, with one Eagle in a perfect firing position. 2 against 1 with one of the two ready to take a shot.

Not a great way to start a fight

Whenever you see a single US fighter, your first question should always be, "where is his wingman?"
 
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