Originally Posted by Al
Originally Posted by gathermewool
Originally Posted by Al
Originally Posted by gathermewool
Well, then there's no real comparison. An XT is a whole level up from the 2.5i. There is no turbo Crosstrek... !
A touring 2.5 NA was $2500 more MSR than the Premium XT. I am truly comparing apples to apples. I want the same level of trim I have on my Premium.. Also I bought the XT not bc of the Turbo but bc the FA engine is superior to the 2.5FB engine which has been plagued with problems (comparatively) The Crosstrek FB20X engine is better than the Forester FB 25B engine.
1. I don't understand how you're comparing a 2.5i to an XT and considering it apple-to-apples. The turbo adds a very specific markup, regardless of whether it's a Premium or a Touring. It's not 100% math, but mostly just math between the two, irrespective of trim.
2. The recent FB engines are just fine. I cannot imagine anyone buying an FA20DIT (emphasis on DIT) over a 2.5i for the sake of longevity. That's a very weak argument.
3. What evidence do you have that the 2.0 is better than the 2.5?
I understand what you are saying but option for option the Crosstrek is 8,000 cheaper than a comparable Forester..what is so hard to understand here?
The FB20X engine is stronger than the bored out 2.5 FB same crank, same block. Its a better engine period.
I (again) am not saying that the Forester is not worth more option for option. I am saying option for option the Crosstrek is cheaper.
Again to me the Turbo power is un-necessary its the better engine that I was after. Both the FA20 and FB20X give me what I want a better stronger engine (do I really need it?-NO-So now I have said it!!)
For a daily driver, there's nothing wrong with the FB25 for the average driver. I also understand that this is your thread and that your comparison is based on what YOU like. I just want to make it clear to every other person in the world who WOULD consider "upgrading" to an FB25-powered Forester, that the price difference, trim-to-trim, is NOT $8k. Want a turbo - pay for a turbo; can't get a turbo in a similarly-priced Impreza/Crosstrek.
And of course the Crosstrek is cheaper; it's a lower-market, smaller vehicle than the Forester. Upgrading to a Crosstrek gets you a lift kit, some added rigidity, body cladding, better approach and departure angles (IIRC, and if soft off-roading is your plan), and slightly less trunk space compared to the Impreza hatch. Upgrading to the Forester gets you a larger, faster and more-practical vehicle than the previous two. You get what you pay for. I personally don't have concerns with the FB25 over the FB20, though Subaru does have a history of issues with their larger engines (90's EJ25 vs 22, for instance, where the 2.2L was considered bullet-proof)