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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: dbias] #4988343
01/23/19 10:52 AM
01/23/19 10:52 AM
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Ocala, Florida
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Originally Posted by dbias
Could it be Sticktion? In extreme cold sometimes the oil used for the injectors gets sticky. Try archoil it helped my fords with hydraulic injection.



This new PSD does not use HEUI injection, its common rail. Ford dropped HEUI injection after 2007MY mostly.


Just say NO to thin oils and M1!
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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4988587
01/23/19 02:42 PM
01/23/19 02:42 PM
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Upstate NY
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Its 31 today and truck finally ran properly. But now I am not sure what to do if it gets down to 0F again. Talked to Power Service people and they said I could add another 8 oz of the white container product. They said 911 is alcohol based also.


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4988602
01/23/19 02:55 PM
01/23/19 02:55 PM
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Southeast
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shrinking HPOP o-ring? is yours in the family susceptible to that problem?


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4988796
01/23/19 06:30 PM
01/23/19 06:30 PM
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Our old fully mechanical Mercedes 240Ds were never a problem in cold weather, if you could get them started.
Neither of these cars had the cold weather kit although both were sold new in Ohio, so you couldn't plug them in.
Down to about 5F, you could get a start if you left the car outside.
Below that, you'd want the car to have spent the night in the garage.
Once you got it running, you'd see no problems of any kind. I can even recall long trips in sub-zero cold with no engine running issues and shirtsleeve heated comfort in the car.
You didn't have these low temperature running problems with your old Dodge Cummins either, did you?


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: fdcg27] #4988865
01/23/19 07:41 PM
01/23/19 07:41 PM
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Upstate NY
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Originally Posted by fdcg27
Our old fully mechanical Mercedes 240Ds were never a problem in cold weather, if you could get them started.
Neither of these cars had the cold weather kit although both were sold new in Ohio, so you couldn't plug them in.
Down to about 5F, you could get a start if you left the car outside.
Below that, you'd want the car to have spent the night in the garage.
Once you got it running, you'd see no problems of any kind. I can even recall long trips in sub-zero cold with no engine running issues and shirtsleeve heated comfort in the car.
You didn't have these low temperature running problems with your old Dodge Cummins either, did you?


I never had these kind of issues with my Dodge Cummins. But the Ford being newer has much more high tech precision involved in the fuel injection system. I will say that given the Dodge Cummins was useless in the snow I did not drive it that much in the winter.


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4988913
01/23/19 08:25 PM
01/23/19 08:25 PM
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oh
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You need to find another fuel supply, the additive is useless unless fuel is above the cloud-point when added (between 32f-20 f). If you are adding a fuel additive below the cloud-point you're wasting your money as it can't blend correctly with the fuel.


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4988964
01/23/19 09:27 PM
01/23/19 09:27 PM
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the canyons
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I second finding another fuel source. My '17 RAM starts and runs fine at -20 F, not plugged in.

Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4989239
01/24/19 08:49 AM
01/24/19 08:49 AM
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I agree, the only time I had my TDi gel was when I used a fuel station that likely had a poor turnover rate (it was in Concord proper but I doubt trucks filled there that often). Might just have to drive the extra mile for the cold months I'm afraid (and it makes you wonder what else that fuel is lacking in for quality).


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4989685
01/24/19 03:57 PM
01/24/19 03:57 PM
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See last post in this link about some bad gelling fuel in NY

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1563311-does-the-6-7-have-a-fuel-heater-3.html


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4989797
01/24/19 05:55 PM
01/24/19 05:55 PM
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Lakeville, MN
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Starting to sound not so far fetched there is some bad diesel being distributed in that area...

To the OP, I'd make sure to mention, if you had not already, that you are having trouble to the fuel supplier. They hear it enough, some real investigation might actually happen.

Still surprising that a region that isn't that unusual to get cold sounds like they are getting bum fuel...

Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4990632
01/25/19 04:38 PM
01/25/19 04:38 PM
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Minnesota
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That's weird. I've been using Opti-Lube XPD in my VW Golf TDI with the CR 2.0 motor. It's been negative digits the past few days and she fires right up. I actually didn't use any in my current tank (forgot to bring it when I fueled up) and it's been fine.

Wonder if you just have some bad diesel.

I know one tank I got from a not so busy station I had some weird missing issues. On the highway it felt like the engine was missing randomly and I'd lose 1-200 RPM for a split second.

Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4990727
01/25/19 06:39 PM
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Upstate NY
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I got the fuel from a new Cumberland Farms station :(Cumbies).

They sell a lot of gas, unsure how much diesel. Not setup for tractor trailers.


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4990748
01/25/19 07:03 PM
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Upstate NY
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911 is alcohol based. You must use it carefully. Owner's manual for my PSD says no alcohol based winterizer.


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: Donald] #4990750
01/25/19 07:04 PM
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Upstate NY
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So now what to do for the rest of the winter? Trust ExxonMobil to have properly winterized fuel? Gulf?


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Re: more PSD woes with cold weather [Re: OVERKILL] #4991753
01/26/19 07:26 PM
01/26/19 07:26 PM
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Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Interesting. I've been putting nothing in our diesel's fuel at all. Petro-Canada sells "winter diesel" and that's what we've been buying. No issues, even when it was -26C shrug

Yes, it is kind of odd. My dad had everything from more than one iteration of the Powerstroke to GM 6.2 to Caterpillar agricultural equipment, used down to -40 and worse, with just ordinary winter diesel.


Plain, simple Garak.

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