Originally Posted by wag123
Originally Posted by CR94
Originally Posted by wag123
... 20 year old 200k mile VWs are rare and always have been, they tend to be "retired" when they get 140 to 150k miles or so on them because they turn into money pits that are not economically repairable. ...
My brother's Jetta was running well when retired at about (estimated because the odometer didn't work) 340k miles, because seemingly nobody could fix its wretched shift linkage.
I never said that they are ALL retired by 150k miles. There are exceptions, and your brother is one of them. I reiterate, high mile VWs tend to be rare.
http://dashboard-light.com/vehicles/Volkswagen_Jetta.html
By looking at the ratings, one could come to the conclusion that they have gotten a LOT better in recent years, but, like I mentioned above, NOT SO. It is just that in recent years, they are newer, and they are less problematic when they are newer.
Having owned two VAG products ( one for over 10 years ), I'd probably go with the concept that VWs typically have more niggling problems at any mileage range than Asian vehicles.Then and now. In my case, not enough to prevent me from buying it or getting rid of it, but you experience things termed "overengineered' parts with VAG products that you typically don't experience with Asian makes. I think VW reliability numbers reflect that even if the problem involved will never leave you stranded.
I owned a well maintained 2009 Mazda 3 I bought new that had catastrophic engine failure apparently related to a failed VVT actuator at 68K miles...so I'm biased that I doubt Mazdas will be the equivalent of a typical Honda/Toyota but I don't doubt the post-Ford era Mazda products are better. I have a friend who's had ongoing issues with his recent vintage CX-9 so, again, bias comes into play...but on whole, Mazdas don't seem to be the equivalent of Honda/Toyotas on several counts related to ownership data.
Originally Posted by CR94
Originally Posted by wag123
... 20 year old 200k mile VWs are rare and always have been, they tend to be "retired" when they get 140 to 150k miles or so on them because they turn into money pits that are not economically repairable. ...
My brother's Jetta was running well when retired at about (estimated because the odometer didn't work) 340k miles, because seemingly nobody could fix its wretched shift linkage.
I never said that they are ALL retired by 150k miles. There are exceptions, and your brother is one of them. I reiterate, high mile VWs tend to be rare.
http://dashboard-light.com/vehicles/Volkswagen_Jetta.html
By looking at the ratings, one could come to the conclusion that they have gotten a LOT better in recent years, but, like I mentioned above, NOT SO. It is just that in recent years, they are newer, and they are less problematic when they are newer.
Having owned two VAG products ( one for over 10 years ), I'd probably go with the concept that VWs typically have more niggling problems at any mileage range than Asian vehicles.Then and now. In my case, not enough to prevent me from buying it or getting rid of it, but you experience things termed "overengineered' parts with VAG products that you typically don't experience with Asian makes. I think VW reliability numbers reflect that even if the problem involved will never leave you stranded.
I owned a well maintained 2009 Mazda 3 I bought new that had catastrophic engine failure apparently related to a failed VVT actuator at 68K miles...so I'm biased that I doubt Mazdas will be the equivalent of a typical Honda/Toyota but I don't doubt the post-Ford era Mazda products are better. I have a friend who's had ongoing issues with his recent vintage CX-9 so, again, bias comes into play...but on whole, Mazdas don't seem to be the equivalent of Honda/Toyotas on several counts related to ownership data.