So what does the spec 508 stand for? Why do not a ilsac gf 5 0w-20 work? Do somebody have any info about the spec?
‘19 GTI specs 0w-20 508 00
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It's the same engine as before. Whatever worked before still works.
Very interesting. My 2017 calls for 502 which usually translates to a 0w40, 5w40, or some 5w30s.
Seems like a rather big drop in viscosity required considering the same engine and output. I know Honda turbos require 0w20s as well.
I have a hard time believing a 0w20 will hold up as well as an Xw40 during hard runs and with hot temps. I've even seen some examples of the 2.0 EA888 shearing Xw40 down so I would think the w20 would as well.
Seems like a rather big drop in viscosity required considering the same engine and output. I know Honda turbos require 0w20s as well.
I have a hard time believing a 0w20 will hold up as well as an Xw40 during hard runs and with hot temps. I've even seen some examples of the 2.0 EA888 shearing Xw40 down so I would think the w20 would as well.
Originally Posted by edyvw
OMG, [censored] is this?
VW just cannot help itself. Basically they are saying in this that in Golf R one should use VW502.00 5W30 or VW504.00 5W40, except VW504.00 5W40 DOES NOT EXIST!
As a 28 year career long engineer on multi-million dollar, mission critical mainframe computers, I simply do not understand how VW can get something so simple as an oil specification wrong. I'm not talking about the 508 spec, I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
The owners manual of our new Passat SEL Premium is flat out contradictory with respect to oil specifications. In one paragraph it says that using 5W40 is approved (which the dealers use), but a few paragraphs later (on the same page!) it says if oil needs to be added, no more than one quart of 5W40 should be added!
In my business, department heads and/or staff would be fired for things like this. VW's doublespeak is not a one time thing, it's a chronic problem. The people responsible for these gaffs are not worthy of their jobs. In my business people who got fired often got escorted out of the building within an hour. That kind of environment weeds out the less capable very quickly. Quite obviously, VW needs to weed out some of its staff!
Scott
OMG, [censored] is this?
VW just cannot help itself. Basically they are saying in this that in Golf R one should use VW502.00 5W30 or VW504.00 5W40, except VW504.00 5W40 DOES NOT EXIST!
As a 28 year career long engineer on multi-million dollar, mission critical mainframe computers, I simply do not understand how VW can get something so simple as an oil specification wrong. I'm not talking about the 508 spec, I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
The owners manual of our new Passat SEL Premium is flat out contradictory with respect to oil specifications. In one paragraph it says that using 5W40 is approved (which the dealers use), but a few paragraphs later (on the same page!) it says if oil needs to be added, no more than one quart of 5W40 should be added!
In my business, department heads and/or staff would be fired for things like this. VW's doublespeak is not a one time thing, it's a chronic problem. The people responsible for these gaffs are not worthy of their jobs. In my business people who got fired often got escorted out of the building within an hour. That kind of environment weeds out the less capable very quickly. Quite obviously, VW needs to weed out some of its staff!
Scott
Originally Posted by SLO_Town
Originally Posted by edyvw
OMG, [censored] is this?
VW just cannot help itself. Basically they are saying in this that in Golf R one should use VW502.00 5W30 or VW504.00 5W40, except VW504.00 5W40 DOES NOT EXIST!
As a 28 year career long engineer on multi-million dollar, mission critical mainframe computers, I simply do not understand how VW can get something so simple as an oil specification wrong. I'm not talking about the 508 spec, I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
The owners manual of our new Passat SEL Premium is flat out contradictory with respect to oil specifications. In one paragraph it says that using 5W40 is approved (which the dealers use), but a few paragraphs later (on the same page!) it says if oil needs to be added, no more than one quart of 5W40 should be added!
In my business, department heads and/or staff would be fired for things like this. VW's doublespeak is not a one time thing, it's a chronic problem. The people responsible for these gaffs are not worthy of their jobs. In my business people who got fired often got escorted out of the building within an hour. That kind of environment weeds out the less capable very quickly. Quite obviously, VW needs to weed out some of its staff!
Scott
It is going on since Passat B5 1.8T. They should be sued AGIAN over this.
Originally Posted by edyvw
OMG, [censored] is this?
VW just cannot help itself. Basically they are saying in this that in Golf R one should use VW502.00 5W30 or VW504.00 5W40, except VW504.00 5W40 DOES NOT EXIST!
As a 28 year career long engineer on multi-million dollar, mission critical mainframe computers, I simply do not understand how VW can get something so simple as an oil specification wrong. I'm not talking about the 508 spec, I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
The owners manual of our new Passat SEL Premium is flat out contradictory with respect to oil specifications. In one paragraph it says that using 5W40 is approved (which the dealers use), but a few paragraphs later (on the same page!) it says if oil needs to be added, no more than one quart of 5W40 should be added!
In my business, department heads and/or staff would be fired for things like this. VW's doublespeak is not a one time thing, it's a chronic problem. The people responsible for these gaffs are not worthy of their jobs. In my business people who got fired often got escorted out of the building within an hour. That kind of environment weeds out the less capable very quickly. Quite obviously, VW needs to weed out some of its staff!
Scott
It is going on since Passat B5 1.8T. They should be sued AGIAN over this.
Originally Posted by SLO_Town
I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
My take on that manual page is that they have simply put the 5W-30 and 5W-40 on the wrong lines. The 5W-30 should line up with the 504 00 and the 5W-40 with the 502 00. It a formatting error rather than a fundamental misunderstanding of their specifications.
I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
My take on that manual page is that they have simply put the 5W-30 and 5W-40 on the wrong lines. The 5W-30 should line up with the 504 00 and the 5W-40 with the 502 00. It a formatting error rather than a fundamental misunderstanding of their specifications.
Originally Posted by weasley
Originally Posted by SLO_Town
I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
My take on that manual page is that they have simply put the 5W-30 and 5W-40 on the wrong lines. The 5W-30 should line up with the 504 00 and the 5W-40 with the 502 00. It a formatting error rather than a fundamental misunderstanding of their specifications.
By that logic, imagine if on the door jam tire pressure sticker VW put 60 psi for the road tires and 35 psi for the compact spare. No big deal, it was a formatting error. Right?
Scott
Originally Posted by SLO_Town
I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
My take on that manual page is that they have simply put the 5W-30 and 5W-40 on the wrong lines. The 5W-30 should line up with the 504 00 and the 5W-40 with the 502 00. It a formatting error rather than a fundamental misunderstanding of their specifications.
By that logic, imagine if on the door jam tire pressure sticker VW put 60 psi for the road tires and 35 psi for the compact spare. No big deal, it was a formatting error. Right?
Scott
Originally Posted by weasley
Originally Posted by SLO_Town
I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
My take on that manual page is that they have simply put the 5W-30 and 5W-40 on the wrong lines. The 5W-30 should line up with the 504 00 and the 5W-40 with the 502 00. It a formatting error rather than a fundamental misunderstanding of their specifications.
Give me a break man. VW formatting errors are going since 1997 and sludge scandal on 1.8T engines.
Can they hire proofreader? or pay some engineer overtime? They are still correcting oil "formatting" mistakes in VW Atlas. Knowing VW, I would say it is purposely design that way.
Originally Posted by SLO_Town
I'm talking about the nonexistent VW504 5W40 they refer to.
My take on that manual page is that they have simply put the 5W-30 and 5W-40 on the wrong lines. The 5W-30 should line up with the 504 00 and the 5W-40 with the 502 00. It a formatting error rather than a fundamental misunderstanding of their specifications.
Give me a break man. VW formatting errors are going since 1997 and sludge scandal on 1.8T engines.
Can they hire proofreader? or pay some engineer overtime? They are still correcting oil "formatting" mistakes in VW Atlas. Knowing VW, I would say it is purposely design that way.
using amsoil 10-30 when it was PAO + Ester + later Redline 10-30 Ester + prolly some PAO netted me 200,000 sludge free miles on my 2001 jetta 1.8T enhanced to 300 tq + 275 hp!! i dumped the free dealer service oil when new + replaced it with real group IV + or V oil from new. 10,000 changes with mostly highway driving 100 to 200 daily + a smallish 4.5 qt capacity. VW later specd synthetic after issues.
Originally Posted by weasley
I'm not saying it's not a mistake and that it shouldn't be like that, but I am saying it is probably less sinister than being suggested.
So, it is incompetence?
I'm not saying it's not a mistake and that it shouldn't be like that, but I am saying it is probably less sinister than being suggested.
So, it is incompetence?
Originally Posted by UG_Passat
Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
Take a look at SN+ vs VW 508 at the Lubrizol Spider Chart..
There is a mistake:
HTHS is not greater/equal to 3.5
and surprised there is no mention of fuel economy performance, especially since 508.00 claims 4% improvement in fuel economy
Yes. I noticed the discrepancy re HTHS.
It poured like it was about 2.7 HTHS.
I see Sulphated Ash is 0.76 %.
Low SAPS.
I just finished up a 10k mile OCI on this oil and like it a lot.
My engine ran smooth and quiet.
The famous Castrol dispersants did not seem to have to do a lot of work.
FWIW unlike all other oils I have used,
this oil was barely discolored at the end of the OCI.
Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
Take a look at SN+ vs VW 508 at the Lubrizol Spider Chart..
There is a mistake:
HTHS is not greater/equal to 3.5
and surprised there is no mention of fuel economy performance, especially since 508.00 claims 4% improvement in fuel economy
Yes. I noticed the discrepancy re HTHS.
It poured like it was about 2.7 HTHS.
I see Sulphated Ash is 0.76 %.
Low SAPS.
I just finished up a 10k mile OCI on this oil and like it a lot.
My engine ran smooth and quiet.
The famous Castrol dispersants did not seem to have to do a lot of work.
FWIW unlike all other oils I have used,
this oil was barely discolored at the end of the OCI.
Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
It poured like it was about 2.7 HTHS.
Out of interest, how can an oil "pour like it was about 2.7 HTHS"? Pouring is a purely kinematic situation - HTHS is measured at 106 s-1 shear rate and 150°C. You could have a 2.6 cP and a 4.2 cP which will appear to pour the same at ambient temperature.
It poured like it was about 2.7 HTHS.
Out of interest, how can an oil "pour like it was about 2.7 HTHS"? Pouring is a purely kinematic situation - HTHS is measured at 106 s-1 shear rate and 150°C. You could have a 2.6 cP and a 4.2 cP which will appear to pour the same at ambient temperature.
Originally Posted by weasley
Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
It poured like it was about 2.7 HTHS.
Out of interest, how can an oil "pour like it was about 2.7 HTHS"? Pouring is a purely kinematic situation - HTHS is measured at 106 s-1 shear rate and 150°C. You could have a 2.6 cP and a 4.2 cP which will appear to pour the same at ambient temperature.
Solid point.
I will attempt to respond this way.
I have poured a lot of oil.
2 million miles accrued, almost all DIY oil changes.
Ravenol 0W16.
-- HTHS 2.4
--VI 165
--Viscosity, Kinematic 100C 7.24
Sustina 0W20 (RIP).
--HTHS 2.6
--VI 229
--Viscosity, Kinematic 100C 7.6
Castrol EDGE Professional LL IV FE 0W20.
--HTHS >2.6 (unknown)
--VI 165
--Viscosity, Kinematic 100C 8.0
Sustina clearly appeared to pour the easiest.
Ravenol,seemed to be almost as thick as the Castrol.
Of course this is at ambient temperature.
Shear stability cannot be determined visually...nor HTHS, as you stated, Sir.
More info please, Castrol.
Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
It poured like it was about 2.7 HTHS.
Out of interest, how can an oil "pour like it was about 2.7 HTHS"? Pouring is a purely kinematic situation - HTHS is measured at 106 s-1 shear rate and 150°C. You could have a 2.6 cP and a 4.2 cP which will appear to pour the same at ambient temperature.
Solid point.
I will attempt to respond this way.
I have poured a lot of oil.
2 million miles accrued, almost all DIY oil changes.
Ravenol 0W16.
-- HTHS 2.4
--VI 165
--Viscosity, Kinematic 100C 7.24
Sustina 0W20 (RIP).
--HTHS 2.6
--VI 229
--Viscosity, Kinematic 100C 7.6
Castrol EDGE Professional LL IV FE 0W20.
--HTHS >2.6 (unknown)
--VI 165
--Viscosity, Kinematic 100C 8.0
Sustina clearly appeared to pour the easiest.
Ravenol,seemed to be almost as thick as the Castrol.
Of course this is at ambient temperature.
Shear stability cannot be determined visually...nor HTHS, as you stated, Sir.
More info please, Castrol.
is this 508 a result of German market GTI meeting Euro6d-TEMP and GPF?
"as a temporary measure (hence Euro 6d-TEMP), petrol cars can emit 126 mg/km while tested on the road, diesel cars 168 mg/km. By 2020, when Euro 6d takes effect, the allowed deviation between RDE and WLTP is reduced to 50 percent. Petrol cars must then stay below 90 mg/km, diesel cars are to keep their NOx emissions under 120 mg/km."
"as a temporary measure (hence Euro 6d-TEMP), petrol cars can emit 126 mg/km while tested on the road, diesel cars 168 mg/km. By 2020, when Euro 6d takes effect, the allowed deviation between RDE and WLTP is reduced to 50 percent. Petrol cars must then stay below 90 mg/km, diesel cars are to keep their NOx emissions under 120 mg/km."
Originally Posted by a2gtinut
is this 508 a result of German market GTI meeting Euro6d-TEMP and GPF?
"as a temporary measure (hence Euro 6d-TEMP), petrol cars can emit 126 mg/km while tested on the road, diesel cars 168 mg/km. By 2020, when Euro 6d takes effect, the allowed deviation between RDE and WLTP is reduced to 50 percent. Petrol cars must then stay below 90 mg/km, diesel cars are to keep their NOx emissions under 120 mg/km."
No. That's why VW put OPF's in the exhaust system, which OPF is Otto Particulate Filter.
is this 508 a result of German market GTI meeting Euro6d-TEMP and GPF?
"as a temporary measure (hence Euro 6d-TEMP), petrol cars can emit 126 mg/km while tested on the road, diesel cars 168 mg/km. By 2020, when Euro 6d takes effect, the allowed deviation between RDE and WLTP is reduced to 50 percent. Petrol cars must then stay below 90 mg/km, diesel cars are to keep their NOx emissions under 120 mg/km."
No. That's why VW put OPF's in the exhaust system, which OPF is Otto Particulate Filter.
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