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top tier has nothing to do with octane #4977313
01/12/19 06:39 PM
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Roger7142 Offline OP
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Went to the dealership today to get my first oil change. I asked him if that I use Top Tier gas do I need to use a fuel injector cleaner also?
His reply to me: "Absolutely not. If you are running 93 octane you should be good to go, but if you use 87 the yes, you DEF. need the cleaner."

Why is it that so many people get these 2 things confused??

The first time I read about TT gas I understood what they were talking about. And this is SERVICE MANAGER telling me this! What gives?

Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977316
01/12/19 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Roger7142
Why is it that so many people get these 2 things confused??
In this case, the person probably just did not know what Top Tier was.

But yeah, I guess you would expect a decent service manager to know what it was.


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Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977317
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Let's see:service manager, likely paid on commission, recommending an unnecessary service. In other news, water is wet!


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Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: bullwinkle] #4977320
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Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Let's see:service manager, likely paid on commission, recommending an unnecessary service. In other news, water is wet!



Or just dumb as a stump. Both things are possible.


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Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977333
01/12/19 07:10 PM
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Many of the service writers I knew when I sold cars had a good line of B-S and very little to no mechanical skills, or basic automotive knowledge, just like in this example.


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Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977345
01/12/19 07:19 PM
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Just so they don't put in the wrong oil and then delete my entire customer file. That happened to me last year.

The ones that know anything are rare indeed.


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Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977359
01/12/19 07:33 PM
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In one way he is right. Shell has their full on cleaners in their 93 octane not their 87.


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Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977391
01/12/19 08:11 PM
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I've run 87 and 93 and have never bothered with any fuel injector cleaner. Never had a problem with fuel injectors either.

Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977465
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There is a common conception, may be true, maybe not, that 93 fuel has more cleaners in it. Perhaps the EPA doesnt mandate it, perhaps the dosing requirements for top tier dont delineate, but it is sold to the public that way. Look at Shell. You can get regular... Or you can get 93 V-power with wonderful glossy photos showing how it cleans injectors and valves.

Ill be the first to blame a "service manager" for lots of things... But this common misconception is not one of them.

And based upon my reading of the OP, its not clear that the service manager was selling a service or anything...

Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: rshaw125] #4977466
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Originally Posted by rshaw125
In one way he is right. Shell has their full on cleaners in their 93 octane not their 87.


This was marketed by many brands over the last couple decades, so people would waste money on Premium for the detergents if not for the octane.

I think Irving did it too, and many others.

Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977471
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Well why/how could it be about octane when octane is clearly marked the same on any tier gasoline. I'm of the belief all gas formulas have adequate detergents and if they don't nothing a $5 bottle of regane twice a year wont compensate for.

Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977498
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Winter's Capital...Fargo!
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In my loaded 2015 3.6L V-6 Impala LTZ, I <<< ONLY >>> use Top-Tier NO-Ethanol Premium from Shell or Holiday stations. Once a month, I'll put a 1/3-bottle of Seafoam in our cars. My small-engine stuff never sees Ethanol either.....ALWAYS with a bit of SF in the same gas.

The Wife's 2014 Buick Regal (2.0L Turbo) Owner's-Manual "Strongly recommends" the use of TT-Fuels.

Faron

Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977522
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I was buying eyeglasses and the guy I was working with was telling me about the anti glare coating on them. Said the glasses manufacturer worked with the headlight manufacturer of cars halogen to come up with a way to reduce glare. As in halogen was the manufacturer.


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Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977538
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Wow . . . just, wow to "halogen" being the manufacturer of anything. Sad society.

Last edited by Nyogtha; 01/12/19 10:40 PM.

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Re: top tier has nothing to do with octane [Re: Roger7142] #4977541
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Many years ago, only Premium fuel got "all the good additive packages"

I'm sure that's what he was thinking of


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(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
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