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Oil & Filter Thoughts #4977254 01/12/19 06:31 PM
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Hi,

I own a 2017 Ram with the 5.7 Hemi engine. When I purchased the truck new it came with two oil changes which I had done. First one at 4000 miles then the other one at 7000 miles. I know that was probably too soon but I don't put alot of miles on my vehicles and I had to use the oil changes up in the first year. The truck currently has 11,700 miles on it and according to the little sticker in the window the next oil change is at 12,700 miles. The manual calls for a SAE 5W-20 oil. I live in Northeast Missouri and drive the truck easy, except for the occasional foot to the floor, let the hemi run. Daily trips around town are the norm, except for short trips shopping, 70 miles round trip. The dealer used Pennzoil semi-synthetic and I would like to go full synthetic from now on. I have been doing some research and my choices so far are Mobil 1 for the oil and a Wax oil filter. In my old 1995 Dodge, I used Valvoline and never had any trouble so it has been on my mind also. Just wondering what your thoughts are on these brands? Thanks for any advice you can send my way.

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Re: Oil & Filter Thoughts [Re: Wornslick] #4977274 01/12/19 06:53 PM
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You could just use plain Valvoline with a Wix filter with this mileage. No need to use Mobil One in such eady duty. I used dollar store Kendall on my 15 Ram.


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Re: Oil & Filter Thoughts [Re: Wornslick] #4977284 01/12/19 07:04 PM
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In all honesty, any of the big brand oils, as well as any of the lesser known oils that have the starburst symbol on the back would be just fine. I would stick to the factory recommended 5w20 at least until you are out of powertrain warranty if you want to run something different later on. I don't believe those engine are particularly hard on oil, or very picky. As for the filter, I assume you meant WIX which is an excellent filter and thought of highly around here. The current group favorite seems to be the Fram Ultra, but any of the name brand filters should do well for you.


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98 Buick LeSabre G-oil 5w30 / ACDelco pf52
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Re: Oil & Filter Thoughts [Re: Wornslick] #4977287 01/12/19 07:07 PM
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I've always been a Valvoline guy myself, nothing wrong with sticking with what has worked for you in the past. Valvoline is an excellent oil, use with confidence.


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OEM filter and any oil that meets the specs will work.


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Re: Oil & Filter Thoughts [Re: 71Chevyguy] #4977326 01/12/19 08:01 PM
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Thanks to all for the replies, you certainly made my choices simple for me.

71Chevyguy....Yes, I meant Wix. lol

FlyNavyP3....I remember the P3 Orion's, if that's what your name means. I was stationed at Glenview Naval Air Station from 1973 to 1974.

Re: Oil & Filter Thoughts [Re: Wornslick] #4977347 01/12/19 08:20 PM
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I wouldn't use Valvoline in a Ram, no moly. FCA made an oil with Pennzoil specifically for a 6.4 hemi and it has 4 times as much moly as average oils, because those engineers know something we don't. And m1 doesn't carry hemi spec. 5w20 PUP if you are following the book is what Ram wants you to use. Despite m1 not carrying spec it is the 2nd most popular oil used on Ram Forum behind Pennzoil synthetics. Amsoil is 3rd, redline is 4th in that poll, well over 500 votes. Ram's have some unique lubrication needs, might want to research not only hemi tick but cam lifter fails. Documented on both ram forums. We had 6 cam fails in a row be non moly'd oils, 2 were valvoline 2 were RP and I forget the other two I do believe one was ST. Coincidence? Maybe Correlation? Maybe If both answers are maybe why risk using a non moly oil considering FCA puts a lot of value in it. Most BITOGers lump your application into their value system w/o considering uniqueness of hemi's. They are high wear engines, almost all of them. High copper wear and also iron. I'd consider 30 weight if not 0w40 as well, even with mds. Also almost 1/2 the forum uses that strategy as well. Once again, the shear number of cam fails have guys searching for answers.

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Originally Posted by burla
I wouldn't use Valvoline in a Ram, no moly. FCA made an oil with Pennzoil specifically for a 6.4 hemi and it has 4 times as much moly as average oils, because those engineers know something we don't. And m1 doesn't carry hemi spec. 5w20 PUP if you are following the book is what Ram wants you to use. Despite m1 not carrying spec it is the 2nd most popular oil used on Ram Forum behind Pennzoil synthetics. Amsoil is 3rd, redline is 4th in that poll, well over 500 votes. Ram's have some unique lubrication needs, might want to research not only hemi tick but cam lifter fails. Documented on both ram forums. We had 6 cam fails in a row be non moly'd oils, 2 were valvoline 2 were RP and I forget the other two I do believe one was ST. Coincidence? Maybe Correlation? Maybe If both answers are maybe why risk using a non moly oil considering FCA puts a lot of value in it. Most BITOGers lump your application into their value system w/o considering uniqueness of hemi's. They are high wear engines, almost all of them. High copper wear and also iron. I'd consider 30 weight if not 0w40 as well, even with mds. Also almost 1/2 the forum uses that strategy as well. Once again, the shear number of cam fails have guys searching for answers.

That is a crazy statement cause if you can prove an oil related damage due to a specific name brand oil that is certified by Chrysler not only will they lose certification but would be required to pay for damages. We will never know what causes hemi cam wear or tick but can almost with certainty say it is not caused by a certified oil.


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Re: Oil & Filter Thoughts [Re: Wornslick] #4977384 01/12/19 09:03 PM
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You are making the wrong point, you need to ask the question why would FCA make a hemi specific oil with over 250ppm moly? 0w40 PUP was made with FAC support for that application. Why wouldn't they just make an oil like Valvoline does and put ZERO moly? huh?

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Originally Posted by burla
You are making the wrong point, you need to ask the question why would FCA make a hemi specific oil with over 250ppm moly? 0w40 PUP was made with FAC support for that application. Why wouldn't they just make an oil like Valvoline does and put ZERO moly? huh?





How do you know that Valvoline has no moly?


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I have a 2011 with the 5.7l and I short trip it a lot with the occasional long run on the interstate as well. 7 years old and she has around 37,000 miles, yeah, I'm wearing her out. I change it twice a year, once in November to run the winter/Spring and then in May for Summer/Fall. I use Pennzoil Platinum 5w20 with a Mopar oil filter, but I have used K&N and Mobil 1 filters as well.
Pennzoil's price point is good compared to the other brands and it meets Chrysler's MS-6395, not that it amounts to a hill of beans in the end. Just pick a quality oil with a quality filter and change it when you're supposed to and all will be fine.


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Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by burla
You are making the wrong point, you need to ask the question why would FCA make a hemi specific oil with over 250ppm moly? 0w40 PUP was made with FAC support for that application. Why wouldn't they just make an oil like Valvoline does and put ZERO moly? huh?





How do you know that Valvoline has no moly?


most of uoa's say as much, why would anyone assume there is moly under such evidence?

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Originally Posted by HemiBenny
I have a 2011 with the 5.7l and I short trip it a lot with the occasional long run on the interstate as well. 7 years old and she has around 37,000 miles, yeah, I'm wearing her out. I change it twice a year, once in November to run the winter/Spring and then in May for Summer/Fall. I use Pennzoil Platinum 5w20 with a Mopar oil filter, but I have used K&N and Mobil 1 filters as well.
Pennzoil's price point is good compared to the other brands and it meets Chrysler's MS-6395, not that it amounts to a hill of beans in the end. Just pick a quality oil with a quality filter and change it when you're supposed to and all will be fine.


Thanks HemiBenny!

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Pick a brand that meets spec that 100% of the uoa's over the last decade has moly, would be a better choice then choosing an oil that in most uoa's have ZERO moly? This is what happens when you marry yourself to a brand w/o any consideration to it's commitment to a formula that would be more beneficial to you, if you believe what the FCA engineers are doing. Either that or just eat the sack lunch you get here from the oil guys, what ever works.

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Originally Posted by burla
I wouldn't use Valvoline in a Ram, no moly.


Current Valvoline synthetics have Moly (modern engine and advanced synthetic) and you can't blindly conclude anything from moly count.. For example conventional Pennzoil has 3X as much moly as platinum (180ish ppm vs 60ish ppm), shall we conclude the conventional protects better. How have you concluded moly is the golden additive for Hemi protection or important at all for it?

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