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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: Donald] #4973561
01/08/19 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Donald
Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by Donald
Why a mid-torque vs the high-torque model? I have the high-torque model and it does everything I need.

I do no believe there is a big difference in price or weight?


the high torque is 5.9# vs 3.9# mid torque. Also some size difference.

The big one is hard on the wrists to use all day for sure.

I love my new m12 stubby impact. which is 2# (and lighter battery than m18 too)



Would someone use a cordless impact all day? I would think a mechanic would use an air impact if he was using it daily. Lighter and can be dropped.

The weight on the cordless tool can also be controlled somewhat by battery size/weight.


Don't think of cordless tools as a replacement for air, they are an addition to the air tools.


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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: Trav] #4974165
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Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by Donald
Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by Donald
Why a mid-torque vs the high-torque model? I have the high-torque model and it does everything I need.

I do no believe there is a big difference in price or weight?


the high torque is 5.9# vs 3.9# mid torque. Also some size difference.

The big one is hard on the wrists to use all day for sure.

I love my new m12 stubby impact. which is 2# (and lighter battery than m18 too)



Would someone use a cordless impact all day? I would think a mechanic would use an air impact if he was using it daily. Lighter and can be dropped.

The weight on the cordless tool can also be controlled somewhat by battery size/weight.


Don't think of cordless tools as a replacement for air, they are an addition to the air tools.



Maybe, maybe not. Just yesterday I was at my local Indy shop - their 12.5hp 120 gallon IR compressor now sits idle and disconnected. Then I was at Discount Tire where they also use cordless exclusively.

"The times they are achangin"

I can see places like a body shop which needs a constant supply of air using them, but for most other shops, the revolution is evident.

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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: user52165] #4974280
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If they disconnected their compressor they are not too bright, there are air tools that cordless just cannot replace, big impacts for one. I looked around today at the air powered stuff I use and except for the small 1/2" cordless impact and a small drill nothing could be replaced with a cordless tool.


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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: Trav] #4975162
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Actually, they are very bright. A very successful, innovative, long standing shop - a true jewel, a rare find. I will start another thread on this subject for better exposure and greater interest.

Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: user52165] #4975430
01/10/19 06:26 PM
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What you say about them and what they did (if they actually disconnected it) are 2 completely different things. No need for another thread, no one cares.


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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: Trav] #4975560
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The thread will be about cordless vs air tools................... everyone cares about that.

What are you afraid of?

Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: The Critic] #4975612
01/10/19 09:19 PM
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I don't care one way or the other I have and use both, Those threads and there have been many of them have been beaten to death,
You cant be serious, afraid of something in a thread? Start a thread if you feel the need to why keep talking about it.


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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: user52165] #4975693
01/11/19 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by user52165
The thread will be about cordless vs air tools................... everyone cares about that.

What are you afraid of?


I think I’d trust a pro’s (Trav’s) input and experience as much as anyone. As a shade tree my compressor sits idle most of the time, but I can certainly appreciate that there are some things that air can do better.

So to get back on topic...

OP, this is rated at 600? I have the same (looking) machine that I bought some years back that’s rated for 220. Quite a spec increase! It’s pretty good for unseized lugs and minor things.

Curious why you bought this vs a 1/2” drive stubby. Is this really more convenient than the full size 1000ft-lb guns? I was thinking of selling mine like this and replacing with 3/8” stubby.

Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: The Critic] #4975757
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The shops that I've gone to around here use air tools for the most part. In fact the guy that does the NY State Inspections on my vehicles only uses air tools, as does the truck spring shop that did the tire installation and alignment on my E-150. Battery powered impacts and ratchets have their place, but I don't see them replacing air tools any time soon.


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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: JHZR2] #4975779
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I really like the smaller cordless impacts, when I bought the 1/2" Makita it was a choice between the made in Japan uber powerful 9lb tool or the small 1/2" 5lb tool (inc 5A battery), it is the same size as the 1/4 and 3/8", very light and powerful enough. I went with the small one and don't regret it.
For the big stuff I have powerful air guns up to 1" drive, the 1/2" has more power, weighs 4lb less and 2" smaller than the big cordless.

The problem with big guns cordless or air is using them under the hood, its almost impossible with today's cramped engine bays, the small gun gets in so many places the big one wont go, basically relegating them to under the car work.
For body panels, interior bolts, hinges and so on the small one really shines, no air hose getting dragged into the interior to get seat belt and seat bolts. Other tools are mains electric like angle grinders, big drills and sheet metal shears.

One type of tool is not better than another for all jobs, they all have their place in the box.


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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: The Critic] #4976368
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Air compressor cost a lot of money to operate. Compressing air is expensive and for a business it may be cheaper to recharge batteries. I have not looked into the math of this but just a thought


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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: spk2000] #4976694
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Originally Posted by spk2000
Air compressor cost a lot of money to operate. Compressing air is expensive and for a business it may be cheaper to recharge batteries. I have not looked into the math of this but just a thought

Batteries aren't cheap, and can only be recharged a certain amount of time before they're totally useless. That has to be factored into the equation too. Battery powered tools are great, I own a few. Like air tools they have a place in the tool box, and maybe one day they'll replace them, but not now.


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Re: Milwaukee 2861 1/2" Mid-Torque Impact Wrench [Re: demarpaint] #4977751
01/13/19 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by demarpaint
Originally Posted by spk2000
Air compressor cost a lot of money to operate. Compressing air is expensive and for a business it may be cheaper to recharge batteries. I have not looked into the math of this but just a thought

Batteries aren't cheap, and can only be recharged a certain amount of time before they're totally useless. That has to be factored into the equation too. Battery powered tools are great, I own a few. Like air tools they have a place in the tool box, and maybe one day they'll replace them, but not now.


+1.

Battery round trip efficiency is around 85%. So the question is how efficient is compressing and decompressing air to do work.

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