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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: Donald] #4976275
01/11/19 03:35 PM
01/11/19 03:35 PM
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BiH, Europe
BobGoblin Offline OP
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Originally Posted by Donald
by chance are you lubricating the lug nuts or studs?



of course not. dry nuts.


Car: KIA Ceed JD 2017 (1.4 petrol - kappa III - G4LC)
Oil recomended: 5w30, ACEA A5
Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: BobGoblin] #4976290
01/11/19 03:56 PM
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I think my 10-year-old Craftsman clicker has gotten out of calibration, even though I always park it at 0 when I'm done with it. It takes so little force to torque my car's lugnuts to "95" that I think it's shorting me about 20 ft-lbs. Ordered a beam-style to see how far off I am. Thanks for the advice, guys!

Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: BobGoblin] #4976343
01/11/19 05:09 PM
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I have to torque the lug nuts on my RV to 450-500 lb-ft. Takes a BIG torque wrench. Drive axle means loosening the outer nuts, torquing the inners, and then retorquing the outers. That makes a total of 80 lugs; MFR recommends redoing it every 2000 miles.

Yes, I use a torque wrench on my cars as well and torque to the center of the manufacturer's suggested range. Never a problem with stretched lugs or bolts coming off. I feel better knowing that when I get a flat at night in the rain I can count on being able to get the bolts off with the supplied wrench. I'll snug up the replacement wheel and then set the torque when I get home.


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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: BobGoblin] #4976370
01/11/19 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BobGoblin
Hi. I bought a torque wrench. What a cool tool! laugh

Anyway, my tightening torrque for wheel lugs is 88-107 Nm by the book. But previosly by hand I tightened them to over 200 Nm. So this 100 Nm feels unsafe and weak. I can turn about 1/4 turn after 120Nm! I am afraid it is too low torque. What do you think?


Something sounds not right.

140 ft lbs tq is too much for wheel lug nut on most of cars. If you can turn more by hands, something messed up there.


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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: s2krunner] #4976387
01/11/19 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by s2krunner
[quote=BobGoblin] Something sounds not right. 140 ft lbs tq is too much for wheel lug nut on most of cars. If you can turn more by hands, something messed up there.


I agree. Most Kia's are in the 70 - 80 ft. lb. range. His 150+ ft. lbs. may have buggered up (stretched) the bolts beyond their proof load (elastic range). Or, as suggested above, his wrench is not accurate.

Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: djb] #4976390
01/11/19 06:10 PM
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All the info you need is in this post. Tighten them. Your feel is obviously way off and causing damage. Technique is responsible for a lot more variation in torque than calibration. Sounds like you need some retraining.
Originally Posted by djb
Originally Posted by Kestas
I bought my first torque wrench after 20 years of wrenching. I was surprised how little torque was needed for wheel bolts compared with previously doing it by feel.

My clicker torque wrench was bought from JC Whitney. I calibrated it at work and found it torques 10% light in the range I use it the most.


That's the usual experience. Just because you *can* over-tighten the fastener, and have been doing that for years, does not mean that you *should*.

10% accuracy for the tool is good enough -- that's well within the error range for conditions and technique. If you have a calibration tester available, observe the changes with different grip positions, applying a bit of twist, using a medium socket vs a shallow socket, and a sloppy vs snug socket fit.


Last edited by 2strokeNorthstar; 01/11/19 06:10 PM.

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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: StevieC] #4976423
01/11/19 06:36 PM
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I know you are not an experienced mechanic or a mechanic at all but seriously you need to stop. Don't run this garbage you are posting on and on because you cant/wont admit you are wrong under any circumstances as usual, just post your videos and finding problems with your new car and leave advise on wrenching to others that know what are doing.


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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: BobGoblin] #4976455
01/11/19 07:11 PM
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Too much torque just makes it such a pain to get them off when you’re wrenching them off on the side of the road. smile

Last edited by Snagglefoot; 01/11/19 07:19 PM.

If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: Snagglefoot] #4976468
01/11/19 07:34 PM
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Trav Offline
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True! Ask demarpaint about that one.


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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: StevieC] #4976474
01/11/19 07:40 PM
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Funny story I just remembered which pertains to this. About 2 years ago I got a call from my nephew, a 35 year old NYC Fireman, a big guy and strong. He got a flat not far from my house and couldn't get the tire off to change it. He called and asked I bring some tools. I grabbed a 3 ton floor jack, a 25" breaker bar, 2' of pipe, sockets and an extension. Long story short two of us couldn't get that tire off. I suggested we stop before we break something. After some cursing of morons using mega power impact tools to tighten up wheels I asked him to call my niece and see if they had road side assistance, which they did. LOL We joked about that too. I hung with him, and the guy who came couldn't get the tire off, without either snapping them off, or using a tool to cut them off, and he didn't have lug nuts with him. He towed the vehicle to a local shop, and the following morning they used "special tools" as described by my nephew to remove the wheel. I'll continue to use a torque wrench. My guess is some fool at a tire shop or service station ran the lugs down with a 1" impact gun.

Oh and we broke two star wrenches. Could I have gotten them off? Most likely, if it were in my driveway, not freezing cold, and I didn't have to be concerned with busting something that wasn't mine. Me I'll stick to my method and using a torque wrench.


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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: BobGoblin] #4976544
01/11/19 09:04 PM
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After spinning 10 or so studs by having lug nuts torqued too tight (and becoming an expert at cutting them off with a dremel), I started using a torque wrench for all my lug nuts.

Spinning studs on the side of the road ain't fun.


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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: demarpaint] #4976560
01/11/19 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by demarpaint
I use one for torquing lug nuts. I go by what the mfg. of the vehicle specs.


+1

Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: Trav] #4976563
01/11/19 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Trav
I know you are not an experienced mechanic or a mechanic at all but seriously you need to stop. Don't run this garbage you are posting on and on because you cant/wont admit you are wrong under any circumstances as usual, just post your videos and finding problems with your new car and leave advise on wrenching to others that know what are doing.

I was thinking the exact same thing. This user sounds quite familiar.

BobGoblin from Europe, that's a good one. And an M.D. too lol.


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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: demarpaint] #4976584
01/11/19 10:02 PM
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That's almost a bad as my trade school instructor laughing his backside off watching me trying to get the drivers side (IIRC) lugs off a 64 Belvedere. The other side came off dead easy but not one on this side, LH thread lugs. duh


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Re: tightening torque for wheel lugs [Re: BobGoblin] #4976592
01/11/19 10:11 PM
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I enjoy using my torque wrenches. I do use a dab of anti sieze.
It is nice to know the wheel is evenly torqued.

When I was young and lifted a lotta weight, I musta applied at least 120 pound feet or more to everything.
No more...

Last edited by JeffKeryk; 01/11/19 10:13 PM.

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