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Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost #4974561
01/09/19 08:31 PM
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First sample with Castrol Magnatec. Oil is 5W-30, full synthetic (old formula; not SN+). I’ve shifted gears from my previous testing and now plan to run the oil until my OLM gets to 20%.

Oil was run for 6,811 miles over 153 days. It ran for 251 hours, including 61 at idle (24%). OLM was at 18%. I did a few hundred miles of towing, but otherwise just the same normal commuting as my other samples. Some have claimed this oil quieted their motor down, but I didn’t notice anything different. One batch isn’t a trend, but this sample has lower wear metals than the M1 or Schaeffer’s averages of my previous testing, so I’m happy with that direction. Especially since this is the longest I’ve ever run a batch (measured in both miles and OLM remaining). The iron average of my three M1 samples (covering 15,700 miles) was 3.2ppm/1k miles, Schaeffer’s was 4.2ppm/1k miles (15,400 miles between the three samples) and this Castrol sample was 2.5ppm/1k miles.

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2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4974581
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I like the 5 quart container. The best thing about it is the handle vent that connects to the mouth. This allows little bubbles to get from the mouth to the top of the oil still in the tank. This stops the big glugs that you get with the cheaper bottles.

Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4974582
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I wonder where the copper is coming from?

What was the oil that you used to use - - with all the moly?


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Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4974595
01/09/19 08:59 PM
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Thanks for the share. I have 10 quarts in my stash to go into one or both of my vehicles.


2014 Nissan Versa Note 1.6 liter engine. 1997 Ford F150 4x4 4.6 liter engine.
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Linctex] #4974636
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Originally Posted by Linctex
I wonder where the copper is coming from?

What was the oil that you used to use - - with all the moly?


No clue about the copper...

The high-moly UOAs are the three Schaeffer samples


2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4974649
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I like it.

Its the only oil that says it reduces wear.... and actually does.

Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4974654
01/09/19 10:15 PM
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Nice report, Magnatec continues to look good in these Ecoboost vehicles.


2015 F150 XLT SCrew 2.7 Eco-Boost
5w-30 Motorcraft Semi-Syn, FL2062

2018 Ford Edge SEL Eco-Boost 2.0
5w-30 Motorcraft Semi-Syn, FL-910S




Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4974811
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My data set has over 200 samples for the 3.5L EB engine.
They average around 3.9ppm/1k miles for the Fe.
They average around 5.0ppm/1k miles for the Cu. (where the Cu comes from I cannot say; don't know the engine well enough. perhaps a Cu based oil cooler like some GM engines?)
They average around 1.0ppm/1k miles for Al.
The other metals are generally low enough to not even consider an issue; only if you got a huge spike would it be a cause for concern.

This UOA is pretty typical for a 3.5EB; nothing but normal. Now, the "new" EB with the duel injection systems, I don't have enough data to really get details yet. Given the total miles on this unit I can presume it's one of the 1st gen motors, so my data is valid for comparison and contrast.

Last edited by dnewton3; 01/10/19 07:08 AM.

The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4974822
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I use the Magnatec in my Ford F-150 only I use 0W-20. I have a pretty good stash of it since I bought it at Walmart for $17 plus change for the five quart jugs. I have about 6 jugs left. Thanks for posting the oil analysis.


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2014 Ford F-150 4x4 supercrew
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Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4974833
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Onug, do you know if that oil had the dexos1 Gen 2 label?
That looks like an LSPI-resistant formulation to me even if it is not SN+.
Thanks!


2014 Forester XT, 95000 miles
Last Change;
M1 0W30 AFE d1G2
Tokyo Roki 15208AA170 filter
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: BikeWhisperer] #4974929
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Originally Posted by BikeWhisperer
Nice report, Magnatec continues to look good in these Ecoboost vehicles.


It is one of the very few oils certified WSS-M2C-913C/D (along with Mobil Super 3000 X1 and Shell Helix Professional AF). Basically ACEA A5/B5 with extra ZDDP for a chain wear test.

If you want a change try any of the other A5/B5 5w30s on the market.

The Shell one (also Ford certified) is by far the best of the lot if you can get it. https://www.shell.com/motorist/oils...l-helix-ultra-professional-af-5w-30.html


2014 Ford Fiesta 1.5 TDCI (Mobil F1 5w30 A5/B5 Ford WSS-M2C-913D) | 2014 Mahindra Scorpio 2.2 mHawk (Amsoil CK4 Turbo Truck)
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4975240
01/10/19 03:37 PM
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Given the low Calcium, are you sure this wasn't the SN+/d1G2 version?


2017 Hyundai Santa Fe SE, 3.3L, AWD, QSUD 5w30, OEM filter, Hy-per Lube ZRA

https://www.pure-gas.org/ << Wake up your engine!!

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Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4975648
01/10/19 11:21 PM
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Well, this stuff was for a long time semi-synthetic and then magically became full synthetic. Maybe they changed and released the formula before they got the SN+ “approval”? I’ll dig up one of the bottles tomorrow and post some pics.


2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4976564
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Here you go...

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2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4976599
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It's been a full syn in most grades for a while. IIRC the really heavy stuff is still a blend.

That said, this looks good, but does anyone know what exactly these so called intelligent molecules do? Is it just marketing hype around what seems to be a pretty good oil, or is there something to it?


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Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4976600
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good, but all that titanium didn't really do much.


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Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: dnewton3] #4977864
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Originally Posted by dnewton3
My data set has over 200 samples for the 3.5L EB engine.
They average around 3.9ppm/1k miles for the Fe.
They average around 5.0ppm/1k miles for the Cu. (where the Cu comes from I cannot say; don't know the engine well enough. perhaps a Cu based oil cooler like some GM engines?)
They average around 1.0ppm/1k miles for Al.
The other metals are generally low enough to not even consider an issue; only if you got a huge spike would it be a cause for concern.

This UOA is pretty typical for a 3.5EB; nothing but normal. Now, the "new" EB with the duel injection systems, I don't have enough data to really get details yet. Given the total miles on this unit I can presume it's one of the 1st gen motors, so my data is valid for comparison and contrast.


How many different vehicles is this data set from?

Do you have averages from Fuel dilution, with labs that use gas chromotography? Any 2018 3.5 EcoBoosts? I have sent 4 samples, & last 3 have all been in 3.4-4.0% fuel dilution at a 2550-3080 mile OCI.

I have attached my reports if you are interested. my iron counts have still been dropping from the initial oil change. My PPM data is similar to what your data ranges are.

my first / initial drain was done at 2425 miles (Fluidlife) and the wear materials & fuel dilution were excessive. It was good to see them drop, & still falling. Fuel dilution seems to have leveled out.

Attached PDF document
TRIBRPT4.pdf (14 downloads)
Attached PDF document
fluidlife.pdf (13 downloads)
Last edited by cdlamb; 01/13/19 11:36 AM. Reason: spelling/ additional comments added
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4978305
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I wouldn’t use (or stress about) any particle count until at minimum 10,000 miles on a Ford motor. They seem to take this long to break in.


2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: Magnatec 5W-30, 6800 miles, 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4984943
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I was considering the 5W30 for my DI engine. But this stuff is really thin... borders a 20W.


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