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Gear oil again #4973074 01/08/19 10:29 AM
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The local oil company has their own brand of oil they sell, proguard, I find little information about it. Their sales guy has been offering it to me, because it's house brand of course, but whenever I read any data sheets a lot of the areas for testing says "data not available." I don't see that on a big name oil, Chevron, citgo, and so on. Price comparison it is cheaper, but again, I find limited info about it. I am using their ep2 complex grease, I've only greased once with it, so can't speak of wear, it was half or better of the cost of my Chevron ep2. And if I don't like it, I'll give it to the neighbor for fifth wheel grease.

Little price point on the gear oils.

He's quoted me citgo 75w90 at 450.00 for 120lb keg
And 565.00 for a 120 kegnof mystik sx7000 75w90
And I believe Chevron is over 600 for the 75w90
I'll update with the cost of the 75w90 proguard, he didn't have it when I talked to him.

Is it normal for a lot of test data not to be displayed? Also, how do I find additives and other information on oils?

Here is a link to all their house products, Lyden oil is the dealer.

http://www.proguardoil.com/proguard/Safety.aspx

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Youre looking at SDS...

http://www.proguardoil.com/proguard...-PROGUARD%20Syn%20Auto%20Gear%20Oils.pdf

Seems to have as much info as any major oil company gives...

Try this link...

http://www.proguardoil.com/proguard/Product.aspx

Re: Gear oil again [Re: JHZR2] #4973083 01/08/19 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JHZR2
Youre looking at SDS...

http://www.proguardoil.com/proguard...-PROGUARD%20Syn%20Auto%20Gear%20Oils.pdf

Seems to have as much info as any major oil company gives...

Try this link...

http://www.proguardoil.com/proguard/Product.aspx



Thanks. I always thought sds was more of a hazmat thing.

Re: Gear oil again [Re: thejudges69] #4973088 01/08/19 10:54 AM
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Is there an article or link on here I can read up on for the breakdown of the sds? I can compare numbers to other brands, but I'd like to know what I'm comparing.

Re: Gear oil again [Re: thejudges69] #4973094 01/08/19 10:58 AM
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As a customer (not a shop owner), given that you only use a few QTs of gear oil and do not change it very often I would always prefer to have the mechanic use a high quality gear oil.


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Re: Gear oil again [Re: thejudges69] #4973095 01/08/19 10:59 AM
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For gear oil , in particular industrial gear oil, grade in KV @40*C is the thing to look for ...... other than OEM approvals, if it matters.

Re: Gear oil again [Re: Donald] #4973112 01/08/19 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by zeng
For gear oil , in particular industrial gear oil, grade in KV @40*C is the thing to look for ...... other than OEM approvals, if it matters.

Originally Posted by Donald
As a customer (not a shop owner), given that you only use a few QTs of gear oil and do not change it very often I would always prefer to have the mechanic use a high quality gear oil.


I change every 250k, each rear end takes about 4 gallons and the transmission takes about 4-5 gallons.

Re: Gear oil again [Re: thejudges69] #4973115 01/08/19 11:35 AM
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Has all eaton drivetrain, older ds402 rears and original 15 speed 1.7 million on the trans. 250k on the rears

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Re: Gear oil again [Re: thejudges69] #4973156 01/08/19 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thejudges69
Has all eaton drivetrain,....................

Other than higher KV @40C, look for SAE J2360, PRF 2105E compliance and OEM approvals in Eaton/Dana/Mack/Meritor etc.

Re: Gear oil again [Re: zeng] #4973162 01/08/19 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by zeng
Originally Posted by thejudges69
Has all eaton drivetrain,....................

Other than higher KV @40C, look for SAE J2360, PRF 2105E compliance and OEM approvals in Eaton/Dana/Mack/Meritor etc.


This is late 80's early 90's technology. Do those compliance ratings still apply?

Re: Gear oil again [Re: thejudges69] #4973196 01/08/19 01:02 PM
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And if I don't like it, I'll give it to the neighbor for fifth wheel grease

I would ask your neighbour trucker what works out in his truck(s)... .and would use that instead smile


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Put the Chevron in and forget about it for 500,000 miles. For the transmission...you should be using a 50 weight manual transmission oil. Both have been the recommended fluids/change intervals for a long time now and both will deliver excellent results and a touch better fuel economy. You don't need to overthink it and saving money on lubes (especially grease) in my fleet experience....never pays. Quality+extended drains = lower cpm.

More importantly......Sweet Ride!!!


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Re: Gear oil again [Re: thejudges69] #4973495 01/08/19 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by thejudges69
Has all eaton drivetrain, older ds402 rears and original 15 speed 1.7 million on the trans.


That's outstanding!

The last time I did regular maintenance on Eaton and Rockwell rear-ends, I was using a Schaeffer's product.


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Originally Posted by thejudges69
Originally Posted by zeng
For gear oil , in particular industrial gear oil, grade in KV @40*C is the thing to look for ...... other than OEM approvals, if it matters.

Originally Posted by Donald
As a customer (not a shop owner), given that you only use a few QTs of gear oil and do not change it very often I would always prefer to have the mechanic use a high quality gear oil.


I change every 250k, each rear end takes about 4 gallons and the transmission takes about 4-5 gallons.

Sounds spendy if the store brand oil causes problems.


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Re: Gear oil again [Re: Kamele0N] #4973756 01/08/19 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamele0N
Originally Posted by thejudges69
And if I don't like it, I'll give it to the neighbor for fifth wheel grease

I would ask your neighbour trucker what works out in his truck(s)... .and would use that instead smile


They use a mystik grease that's real sticky he said. We work in 2 completely different areas of trucking. They are in the grain industry and they use a thick sticky grease to keep grain dust out. I don't get into those environments.

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