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What to Do With a Dead Vehicle? #4972688 01/07/19 10:00 PM
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I'm posting this to get some ideas. Friend has a 2005 Ford Escape 4x4 with 178K miles, and the automatic transmission went out. Per the dealership, it has burnt fluid and clutch plate and metal debris in the fluid - sounds like the clutches burned up.

It was a maintained vehicle and had a couple of tranny fluid changes by the dealership, so unknown why it went out - just the high mileage it seems, it never towed anything. Ford dealership said it would cost about $5200 total to put a new transmission in it. Problem is, the SUV is worth less than that, even with a new tranny in it.

Gal that owns the vehicle would like to get whatever she can out of it as is. The dealership doesn't want to give her anything for it as is on a trade-in (understandable).

She doesn't want to fix it, again understandable. So what would you guys do in this situation to try and get something for it. Even if the dealership gave her $300 for it she'd probably take it. It's sitting at the dealership, and she has no place to store it, and it was flat bedded there, so if she moves it then that's more cost into it. Maybe Craig's list it for cheap and have the buyer go to the dealer snd haul it off? That's all I can come up with.

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Around here I would have U-Pull & Pay go get it-they would probably give $300-400 for it-not sure if your area has a similar company?


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See what an independent trans shop says it will cost to fix.


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A couple of options: sell it to a salvage / wrecking yard. How much you get can depend on what scrap iron is going for on commodities market. There used to be a specific commodity called "scrap auto bodies". I seem to recall getting $200 for a 1998 Ford Contour V6 that was totaled. Another option- sometimes wrecking yards have a service bay, and will install used transmissions. The one time I used this option was for a 700R4 in a Camaro Z28- the trans came out of a 1989 Trans Am and into the 1985 Z28. Although it was over 10 years ago, the full cost was $800 which was a bargain at the time. The car had 130k on it, and the used trans went until the next owner wrecked it at 180k. I think there was a bit of good luck in that swap- I got a guy at the wrecking yard who was knowledgeable, they had a perfect donor vehicle, and whoever did the install did a perfect job.

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Put in on craigslist. Or just get a wrecker to come and pull it away.
Good luck either way.

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Re: What to Do With a Dead Vehicle? [Re: ZeeOSix] #4972710 01/07/19 10:17 PM
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If the rest of the vehicle is OK then fix it. Much cheaper than buying another used ride with all of it's unknown problems. Poor maintenance.


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Re: What to Do With a Dead Vehicle? [Re: ZeeOSix] #4972726 01/07/19 10:27 PM
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I checked on scrap metal pricing: auto bodies are around $100-150 per ton give or take, so less than I expected.

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Get a second opinion from a tranny shop or else call a "we buy junk cars" guy and they'll take it away and give a couple hundy for it.

If you donate the car, you'll get a tax deduction for whatever they sold it for. So, it they sell it for $200, you'll deduct $200 from your income if you itemize which will be much harder to do with the new tax code and the you'll net like $50 instead of $200 in your pocket.

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Re: What to Do With a Dead Vehicle? [Re: ZeeOSix] #4972750 01/07/19 10:43 PM
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Around here there are guys with rolloffs that will pay 250 to 500 for a complete vehicle. I`v sold four in ten years. would imagine scrappers are everywhere


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Re: What to Do With a Dead Vehicle? [Re: tig1] #4972791 01/07/19 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tig1
If the rest of the vehicle is OK then fix it. Much cheaper than buying another used ride with all of it's unknown problems. Poor maintenance.


She was going to trade it in the next few months on something much newer and with less miles. So putting $5200 into it to maybe be lucky enough to get $5000 (book value) for it fixed up doesn't make sense. The same Ford dealer has a one owner 2013 loaded Escape with 44K miles which she's interested in.

She did talk to an independant transmission shop and it would be around $1000 less, but that was just a verble over the phone. Problem is it would probably cost about $200 to flat bed it there - it's a ways to that shop. Wouldnt leave much to get any profit out of it. Getting $500 for it as is somehow might be less pain.

Supposed to try and deal on the 2013 Escape tommorow afternoon, so maybe the dealership knows guys who buy vehicles in his kind of situation.

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Originally Posted by rubberchicken
Another option- sometimes wrecking yards have a service bay, and will install used transmissions. The one time I used this option was for a 700R4 in a Camaro Z28- the trans came out of a 1989 Trans Am and into the 1985 Z28. Although it was over 10 years ago, the full cost was $800 which was a bargain at the time.


This concept is common in Texas, and almost always works out to be the most cost effective option.


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Another option- sometimes wrecking yards have a service bay, and will install used transmissions. The one time I used this option was for a 700R4 in a Camaro Z28- the trans came out of a 1989 Trans Am and into the 1985 Z28. Although it was over 10 years ago, the full cost was $800 which was a bargain at the time.


This concept is common in Texas, and almost always works out to be the most cost effective option.


I can do some calling around with some of these suggestions - thanks guys!

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Originally Posted by Chris142
See what an independent trans shop says it will cost to fix.



That's what Id start with...

178k is a lot of miles for a $5200 repair on a vehicle that isnt particularly special, but if a good used AT or something can be done for a few thousand less, it may be worth it, at least to make it saleable.

Beyond that, often you can get like 12c/lb. Id start on an escape/Ford forum, then a pick and pull.

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Up here you just phone the Kidney Foundation. They send a wrecker to pick it up and you get a tax deduction for the scrap value of the vehicle. Done deal. The car usually gets sent to Pick and Pull.

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This place worked for me. I did my homework on them and they checked out OK.
They bought my GC with a dead engine last July for $150 over what the local wrecker offered. They did what they said they would do with no headaches.
They even came up a little from their original offer.



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Go to the junkyard or pull-a-part and buy a used tranny and throw it in. That's just me though.


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Originally Posted by Linctex
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Another option- sometimes wrecking yards have a service bay, and will install used transmissions. The one time I used this option was for a 700R4 in a Camaro Z28- the trans came out of a 1989 Trans Am and into the 1985 Z28. Although it was over 10 years ago, the full cost was $800 which was a bargain at the time.


This concept is common in Texas, and almost always works out to be the most cost effective option.



Was going to say same thing...

We've got a wrecker who does log book servicing at the other end.

Can get used parts within 48 hours, so not beholden to what's in his yard, and will do work such as this very economically...even moreso if you can leave it for a week or two as a fill in time project.


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If it has the CD4E transmission, then I am both surprised it lasted that long, as well as surprised an indy would want within $1000 to rebuild it. Need to shop around. In these parts that rebuild would get done for less than $2000.


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my thoughts - get a good used tranny probably the cheapest way to go or sell the car to a local auto salvage...just drove by my local u pull it yard and they are paying $8.50 a hundred for cars they come get the car , no charge , then pay you after they weigh it

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We've actually got a couple of early Escapes in my family. My advice, with that many miles, is to get rid of it. Perhaps pull the ECM and the radio and sell them separately.
HOWEVER, if you do put a new/different tranny in it, replace the alternator in it while you have it apart. Nothing will burn the customer's chaps more than needing a new alternator a month after a tranny replacement and shelling out another $850 just to have a new alternator put in. And alternator R/R can be somewhat labor intensive on an early V6 Escape. Replace the front flexible brake lines also. Chances are, they are shot.

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If you don't need the cash, you can donate to Kidney Foundation, public radio station, veterans groups, etc. Those agencies will usually come haul it away for you.


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I looked up used transmissions running around $850. If I were close to you I would come get it, pay her $500 and replace the trans myself and resell it. I have done this several times and makes me extra cash. With that - find a used trans and somebody to install it. Maybe you can come in around $1500-1800 and still have enough equity for her to sell or trade at full value.

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Kars for Kids sends the money back to Israel, support a donation company that keeps it in the US


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Originally Posted by Audios
Kars for Kids sends the money back to Israel, support a donation company that keeps it in the US


I wouldn't give them my car just due to that obnoxious commercial!


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I would tell her to steer clear of the same vehicle that just crapped out on her. I'm surprised the transmission lasted that long. I could recommend some more reliable vehicles, but that would likely become an argument among the brand fan boys.

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Find a serviceable transmission on eBay and have it installed locally, flush the cooler really well. Go on your way.


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Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
If it has the CD4E transmission, then I am both surprised it lasted that long, as well as surprised an indy would want within $1000 to rebuild it. Need to shop around. In these parts that rebuild would get done for less than $2000.


I think both estimates (dealer and independant shop) were for installing a new/re-manufactured transmission, not a rebuild. Not sure which transmission the 2005 Escape with the V6 has.

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Originally Posted by Kruse
We've actually got a couple of early Escapes in my family. My advice, with that many miles, is to get rid of it. Perhaps pull the ECM and the radio and sell them separately.
HOWEVER, if you do put a new/different tranny in it, replace the alternator in it while you have it apart. Nothing will burn the customer's chaps more than needing a new alternator a month after a tranny replacement and shelling out another $850 just to have a new alternator put in. And alternator R/R can be somewhat labor intensive on an early V6 Escape. Replace the front flexible brake lines also. Chances are, they are shot.


She got stranded on the side of the road a year or so ago because the alternator went out. And yes, it was an expensive fix as you say - it's a labor intensive job to replace the alternator.

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I would tell her to steer clear of the same vehicle that just crapped out on her. I'm surprised the transmission lasted that long. I could recommend some more reliable vehicles, but that would likely become an argument among the brand fan boys.


She's looking at a 2013 Escape at the same dealer that only has 44K miles, a local one owner vehicle. I looked at it yesterday and it's in really nice condition. Titanium model, so pretty much fully loaded. The newer Escapes have the CVT transmission (the 2005 didn't have CVT), and of course some of the CVT transmissions had issues. But of course it's usually the "luck of the draw" on stuff like that. Fords seem to be hit or miss on reliability, just like most car brands.

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I looked up used transmissions running around $850. If I were close to you I would come get it, pay her $500 and replace the trans myself and resell it. I have done this several times and makes me extra cash. With that - find a used trans and somebody to install it. Maybe you can come in around $1500-1800 and still have enough equity for her to sell or trade at full value.


Yeah, the vehicle is in pretty good over alll. Body and paint is good, no rust (PNW vehicle), no accidents. Someone could have a nice ride if they wanted to buy it cheap and put a transmission in it.

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That would actually be my suggestion - Put it on CL "as is" and see if you get any bites. There are plenty of people out there with the right equipment, looking to make a few bucks on a flip.


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Around here I was able to find places that would drop in a used transmission in the $700-$1000 range. Call around. Those transmission shops and the dealer are the most expensive places. Maybe around 2k would do it. Also find someone with AAA plus, 100 miles of free towing. Regular AAA only gets you 3 miles. They won't let you just sign up for AAA plus though.

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Tranny started to go out in the wife's old Cavalier, threw some TransX in it and doctored it so it would fail it's smog check, and the state gave us $1,000 for it.


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I do get a charge out of reading posts on the various BITOG topics that go along the lines of "maintain your vehicle and it will last forever" along with the implication that folks that do not do this are not of sound mind and possibly a danger to society.

Maintaining by keeping on top of fluids, tires, filters, plugs, wires, etc. is one thing that many folks do pay attention to. However, what the OP has here is not maintenance, it is replacement of failed parts to the tune of thousands on an older car. If this was the end of expensive repairs it would be one thing, but it is entirely possible that there will be many thousands more needed over the next few years. Lots of us have been there and done that and if finances permit we send the old car off to wherever old cars go.

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Originally Posted by dishdude
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Kars for Kids sends the money back to Israel, support a donation company that keeps it in the US


I wouldn't give them my car just due to that obnoxious commercial!


Not sure about Israel, but I remember reading a lawsuit that they were sending it only to a certain religious school (not mentioning it just to avoid politics), but yeah, not really for "every" kids. With all the ads Kars 4 Kids play on the radio, I bet nothing is left after the expenses.


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Originally Posted by Anduril
Tranny started to go out in the wife's old Cavalier, threw some TransX in it and doctored it so it would fail it's smog check, and the state gave us $1,000 for it.


OP is in PNW, I don't think they are buying back for emission like CA do.


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I would tell her to steer clear of the same vehicle that just crapped out on her. I'm surprised the transmission lasted that long. I could recommend some more reliable vehicles, but that would likely become an argument among the brand fan boys.


She's looking at a 2013 Escape at the same dealer that only has 44K miles, a local one owner vehicle. I looked at it yesterday and it's in really nice condition. Titanium model, so pretty much fully loaded. The newer Escapes have the CVT transmission (the 2005 didn't have CVT), and of course some of the CVT transmissions had issues. But of course it's usually the "luck of the draw" on stuff like that. Fords seem to be hit or miss on reliability, just like most car brands.


When I was looking at 2017 Escapes, they did not have CVT trans. I was of the firm belief that I wanted to avoid a CVT at all costs, as I do not feel they hold up long-term. I looked at Rav4, CRV, some Chevys, and one of the big differences on the Escape was its much higher tow rating: 3500 lbs vs 2000 for the same year Rav4 and CRV. Tow rating was important for me in a small SUV because we haul some Waverunners.

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I would tell her to steer clear of the same vehicle that just crapped out on her. I'm surprised the transmission lasted that long. I could recommend some more reliable vehicles, but that would likely become an argument among the brand fan boys.

She's looking at a 2013 Escape at the same dealer that only has 44K miles, a local one owner vehicle. I looked at it yesterday and it's in really nice condition. Titanium model, so pretty much fully loaded. The newer Escapes have the CVT transmission (the 2005 didn't have CVT), and of course some of the CVT transmissions had issues. But of course it's usually the "luck of the draw" on stuff like that. Fords seem to be hit or miss on reliability, just like most car brands.

When I was looking at 2017 Escapes, they did not have CVT trans. I was of the firm belief that I wanted to avoid a CVT at all costs, as I do not feel they hold up long-term. I looked at Rav4, CRV, some Chevys, and one of the big differences on the Escape was its much higher tow rating: 3500 lbs vs 2000 for the same year Rav4 and CRV. Tow rating was important for me in a small SUV because we haul some Waverunners.


After some more research what you say is correct, the newer Escapes don't have the CVT transmission. I test drove it last night and it didn't act like a CVT transmission and you can put it in "Sport Mode" and shift the transmission manually with the buttons on the shifter handle. I was pretty impressed on how much power the 2.0L Ecoboot has, and acceleration was pretty impressive. She ended up buying it last night, and now working on selling the dead 2005 Escape as is. One of the mechanics at the dealership may want to buy it and fix it for his daughter. Also have an add on Craigslist, so will see what happens. A junkyard transmission would be about $700, so someone could get it back on the road and keep it or flip it. Will see what happens.

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Around here there are guys with rolloffs that will pay 250 to 500 for a complete vehicle. I`v sold four in ten years. would imagine scrappers are everywhere


That must have been years ago. Price of steel has dived in the last 3 years or so.

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Around here there are guys with rolloffs that will pay 250 to 500 for a complete vehicle. I`v sold four in ten years. would imagine scrappers are everywhere

That must have been years ago. Price of steel has dived in the last 3 years or so.


Yep, I called the local wrecking yard and they said they'd only give $100 for it and come get it for free.

So the mechanic at the Ford dealership ended up giving her $750 for it after seeing maintenance records and what's been done to it over the last couple years. Also told him which wrecking yard has a transmission to help him out if that's his plan. He's fixing it for his daughter who's going to college. Everyone is happy.

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You and your daughter made the right choice. Life is short. Spending too much money on an old heap like that just isn't worth it.


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Re: What to Do With a Dead Vehicle? [Re: ZeeOSix] #4975681 01/11/19 12:37 AM
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I would tell her to steer clear of the same vehicle that just crapped out on her. I'm surprised the transmission lasted that long. I could recommend some more reliable vehicles, but that would likely become an argument among the brand fan boys.

She's looking at a 2013 Escape at the same dealer that only has 44K miles, a local one owner vehicle. I looked at it yesterday and it's in really nice condition. Titanium model, so pretty much fully loaded. The newer Escapes have the CVT transmission (the 2005 didn't have CVT), and of course some of the CVT transmissions had issues. But of course it's usually the "luck of the draw" on stuff like that. Fords seem to be hit or miss on reliability, just like most car brands.

When I was looking at 2017 Escapes, they did not have CVT trans. I was of the firm belief that I wanted to avoid a CVT at all costs, as I do not feel they hold up long-term. I looked at Rav4, CRV, some Chevys, and one of the big differences on the Escape was its much higher tow rating: 3500 lbs vs 2000 for the same year Rav4 and CRV. Tow rating was important for me in a small SUV because we haul some Waverunners.


After some more research what you say is correct, the newer Escapes don't have the CVT transmission. I test drove it last night and it didn't act like a CVT transmission and you can put it in "Sport Mode" and shift the transmission manually with the buttons on the shifter handle. I was pretty impressed on how much power the 2.0L Ecoboot has, and acceleration was pretty impressive. She ended up buying it last night, and now working on selling the dead 2005 Escape as is. One of the mechanics at the dealership may want to buy it and fix it for his daughter. Also have an add on Craigslist, so will see what happens. A junkyard transmission would be about $700, so someone could get it back on the road and keep it or flip it. Will see what happens.


We bought the 2017 2.0 Ecoboost Escape for my wife, she loves it. Yes, its quite peppy, maybe slightly quicker than her 2004 Saturn Vue V6 with the 3.5. We really liked the Vue- it was a great all around little SUV, but the interior was cheap. As for the Escape, it has proven to be very nice. Usually I find a bunch of things to nitpick or dislike about any vehicle, but I only found one thing to complain about the Escape: it has the dohicky where you wave your foot around under the rear bumper to open the hatch if your arms are full. However, if you are hooking up a trailer and connecting the trailer lights, it can sometimes open on you suddenly and might bump you on the head.

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